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Unhappy Help, my bird's cere is rapidly turning dark brown!

I recently bought a new male budgie for my 8 year old, he had a deep blue cere when I got him three weeks ago. He was born last October. About a week ago I noticed brownish spots forming in the center of his cere, today the dark brown colour has almost taken over! He seems to be a healthy bird but Im worried for his health, I've never seen anything like it before. Does anyone know what it might be?

The first photo is from today, the second is 5 days old
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Are you sure this budgie didn't have a small amount of white on his cere? I'm wondering if you could have a female budgie, going into breeding condition.
If you're 100% certain you have a male, then I would book an appointment with an avian vet to discuss your budgies health.
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Do you have any pictures of when the budgie was first purchased for comparison to the recent pictures?

From what I can see of the cere in the pictures you posted, the budgie may be a female.
The pictures are not the best for viewing the cere. Full frontal close-up pictures taken in natural light are best.
Posting full size pictures rather than thumbnails would also be helpful.

If the budgie is indeed a male (and not a female coming into breeding condition) then the cere turning brown is a symptom of problems that will need to be addressed promptly by a qualified Avian Vet.

Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.

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Welcome to the forums,

If your budgie hatched in October of last year, this would make him roughly 5 months old. At this stage and in most cases, the cere on a young male should have a deep purplish colour and not yet have the mature royal blue colour.
At any point during these few months you have had your budgie, did you see a decent amount of white colour on the cere?
Do you have photos of when you got your budgie, so that we can see the colour of the cere or even photos before you saw the brown colour taking over?
It would be good to see how this progressed, if you are able to post pics.

If in fact your budgie is male and his cere is turning brown, then he could have an issue with hormonal imbalance and booking an appointment at the avian vet specialist would be the best course of action, so that your budgie is properly examined, diagnosed and treated.
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I agree with the previous posts, please post pictures of your bird before this change happened if you have any. As stated above, if your budgie is male, this could be a sign of a serious illness; but if it's a female, than this is normal. Keep us updated on your little budgie's condition!
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Hello! Thanks for your comments and for being so welcoming. I finally went to the vet today and he's or shall I say, she's a female! This is the first time I've seen such a blue cere on a female, I thought she had liver problems. Phew. Although I don't have pictures before the cere started turning, I can that the middle of her cere around her nostrils was actually quite white so I should have taken that as sign. I was worried because I had had my childhood male budgie turn brown at 11 years old and he died of liver cancer. Poor guy. SO I'm just having my son pick another name and we'll be purchasing a male partner shortly (once she's been tamed enough).
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Now I've seen the picture, it does look more like a male than a female. Maybe it's the lighting, but I'd be interested to see what some of the others think about it.

Can I ask why you're going to buy another budgie? Is if just as a friend for this one so it's not so lonely?
I just want to make you aware that it's possible your budgies might be a little less tame when they have a same species friend to play with.
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If you do end up choosing to get a friend for your little female, please be sure to follow quarantine procedures:

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I found a photo from my phone, a bit blurry. But you can see the white. The vet I saw was an avian vet, but even she was a bit surprised at the intensity of the blue around the edges. Although she did say that it happens more often than you think, I guess cere color is not really reliable under a year. The breeder who sold her to me seemed pretty convinced it was a boy....

I'll try the photo thing, but I'm not super good with this kind of stuff...

My older son wants a budgie too, but I won't be putting them in the same cage, or in the same room for that matter, in my experience budgies are quite happy solo, at least mine was (had him 12 years), of course that doesn't mean they won't have play dates!
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Indeed, from this latest photo you have attached there is a lot of white colour on the cere.
As for the updated pictures, upon looking at the cere, I would also say that your budgie is a male. From the photos, I'm unable to see the actual brown colour, at least it doesn't look like the typical colour when the ceres on females start to tan and get dark brown. To me that looks more like a darker spot on the cere.

I also couldn't help to notice that you have a sandpaper cover on the perch.
It's not recommended to use sandpaper as these can be quite abrasive to the budgies' delicate skin of the feet and this can promote sores. There are additional health concerns also if your budgie happens to chew on the sandpaper, this can cause digestive upset and in more extreme cases can lead to crop impaction.
You can find good ideas for perches of different sizes and textures by checking this link: Essentials to a Great Cage
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