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While I was doing research for my self on Breeding Budgies, I saw alot of answers to questions I've seen on here lately, and thought I'd just share with ya'll what I've found( I looked through most of the pages under this section and couldn't find anything like this already hopefully i'm not duplicating it, I didn't go through All the pages though)

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Selecting A Pair
  • Both the male and female you wish to breed should be at least one year old.
  • Selecting a pair that is already bonded will help ensure a shorter time until they begin to mate and lay eggs.
  • If you wish to breed for a certain variety, learn about budgie varieties and genetics.
Set-Up
  • Each pair should be set up in their own cage at least 24"w x 16"d x 16"h (70x40x40cm). The cage should not have a grate on the bottom. If the cage has an irremovable grate, place the newspaper lining on top of the grate. Use only black and white newspaper to line the bottom.
  • A wooden nest box should be attached outside of the breeding cage. Click here to learn more about choosing a nest box.
    • A wooden insert with a concave circle should be in the bottom of the nesting box to prevent splayed legs.
    • Pine shavings (unscented) should be layered in the bottom of the box over the wooden insert. The hen will adjust the pine shavings to her liking.
  • It is very important to have a cuttlebone and mineral block in the cage. An iodine salt spool is also recommended.
  • At least two perches should be provided. Try to provide variety in perches, including a safe natural wood branch.
  • Food and water dishes should be provided. I recommend attaching two water tubes, especially after all the babies have hatched. I also recommend putting a large jar feeder on the cage floor. The parents will go through a lot of seed and water when caring for a nest full of growing chicks.
  • Pieces of soft wood for the female budgie to chew on will satisfy her need for gnawing and also can help get her into the mood to breed. Be sure the wood is safe for birds by buying this material at a bird or pet store.
  • If only breeding one or a couple of pairs, you will need a large cage to put the babies into when they are weaned. If breeding large scale, you will need to build a flight cage to keep non-breeding budgies and newly weaned babies.
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Environment, Timing, Etc.

It is better to start out with 2 or 3 pairs, because they help stimulate each other into the breeding mode. Also, if something goes wrong with a pair, you would be able to foster out the chicks under another pair. In the US, the best results for breeding season is from October through March.
Most comfortable temperatures to keep them in is 65 to 75 degrees Fahrenheit (18 to 24 degrees Celsius).
Some humidity helps the eggs to hatch better.
They need good light, but not direct sun during the day. They need 12 hours of darkness with cage covered at night. Try to go by the sun; cover the budgies at sundown and uncover them around 6 to 7 AM each morning.
It is important to use a full-spectrum light bulb in the breeding room to assist in vitamin-D formation and to allow for proper vision.
Budgies need to have a comfortable environment and to be healthy and happy to breed.



Proper Care of Breeding Pairs
  • Budgies need a very good diet when breeding.
    • Enriched variety of parakeet seed mix.
    • A supplement of pellets for parakeets either in an individual dish or mixed with seed.
    • A powdered vitamin supplement added to food (not water).
    • Organic fresh greens should be provided daily. Examples are dandelion leaves or carrot-tops. All produce must be organic! Even a tiny amount of pesticides are enough to kill a baby chick. Bits of shredded carrots are good too. Also give them little tiny bits of cooked chicken or eggfood for protein, but only when breeding. The better variety of good foods you feed, the healthier the chicks will be.
  • Try not to interfere too much with the breeding birds. Have a regular routine when you clean the cage. Keep the breeding cages very clean.
  • Change the food and water each day. Check the food and water levels both in the morning and night.
  • Nest boxes should be checked once per day, preferably when the hen comes out to poop and stretch her wings. Remove broken egg shells or any dead chicks right away.
  • Budgies pairs will try have a third clutch, right after the first two, in one breeding season. However, if they have successfully reared chicks from the previous two clutches, they should be stopped from starting the third clutch for health reasons, to prevent burnout, weak chicks, etc. Also, the pair should be rested for a whole year until next breeding season. To stop a pair, remove the mother from the cage when the youngest chick is about 10 days old. The father will take over the care of the chicks. Watch them closely for the first 48 hours, as it sometimes takes a day or so for Dad to realize that Mom isn't coming back and he needs to take over. If you notice the babies' crops empty, you may need to give a hand feeding.
Proper Care of the Chicks
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  • If you need to handle the eggs, be sure to completely clean your hands with soap and water before handling. Bacteria from your hands can be absorbed through the shell which can harm the baby.
  • When the youngest chick hatches the oldest chick will be much bigger than it, especially with large clutches of more than 5 eggs. When you check the nest box make sure the youngest chicks are not getting trampled and are getting fed (you will see food in their crops). If you notice any problems, you can try fostering the youngest chicks to another pair with similarly aged chicks. You may also try fostering newly hatched chicks to a pair with eggs. Most of the time a fostered chick is accepted. Check often on a fostered chick to make sure. If you see food in the baby's crop, the pair has accepted him. If the clutch is very large, with more than 6 eggs, you may want to foster the 7th and on chicks automatically.
  • When the babies start getting feathered, it will be about time to start cleaning the nest box. If you notice a large build-up of soiled shavings and the babies tend to be getting a lot of droppings stuck to their feet, start changing the bedding about once a week, or as needed. Remove the babies into a large bowl lined with a towel and scoop out the soiled bedding. Scrape the wood insert as needed and replace with fresh bedding. You may need to block the entrance to the nest box while you do this to prevent the hen from coming into the box.
  • Check the babies everyday for fixable developmental problems.
    • Check under the top mandible (beak) for a build up of food, which can cause an undershot beak. If you notice food stuck under the top mandible, remove gently and carefully with a toothpick.
    • Make sure the chick isn't developing splayed legs. If this is happening, try adding extra pine shavings. If a young baby develops splayed legs, the problem can be corrected because their bones are still forming. You will have to tie the legs close together to facilitate proper development. See the article Splayed Legs by Wanda Barras for more detailed information.
  • When the chicks start coming out of the nest, provide a shallow dish of food on the bottom of the cage to facilitate weaning.
  • You can remove a 6 week old weaned chick from its parents in the breeding cage. It should be put in a large cage reserved for young birds or in the flight cage. Provide lots of food, available in different places, especially in a dish on the bottom of the cage. Keep a close eye on newly removed chicks to make sure they are eating. Check their crops to make sure they are full before covering their cage at night.
Development and What to Expect
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  • When the hen starts to lay eggs, she will lay an egg every other day. A clutch of eggs is normally anywhere from 4 to 6 eggs, but sometimes 8 or more.
  • A new hen may not start to brood the eggs until the second or even third egg is laid. This is fine and will not harm the eggs' viability. It takes 17 to 20 days for the eggs to hatch.
  • You can watch the babies develop within the egg! Purchase a very small flashlight such as the Maglite Solitaire. In a darkened room, shine the flashlight into one end of the egg. In a fertilized egg, you can see the embryo develop. It is the small red kidney shaped thing attached to the wall of the egg among the blood vessels. You can even see its heart beating if you look closely.
  • The babies will hatch every other day in the order they were laid (the first two may hatch on the same day if the hen didn't brood until the first two were laid). When the youngest chick hatches, the oldest chick may be much bigger than it.
  • The babies hatch featherless. They develop down, then pin feathers. The pin feathers will open as the chick develops. To see pictures of budgie chicks, see The Budgie and Parakeet Place Photo Album.
  • The male will feed the hen, and the hen feeds the chicks, youngest first, until they are about 3 weeks of age. Then the male takes over some of the feeding until the chicks are weaned, which is around 5-6 weeks of age.
  • If you want the chicks to be tame, handle them each day for 10 minutes once they turn 2 weeks of age. Make sure your hands are clean and warm. Also shield the chick's eyes from bright light as the nest box that they are in is dark inside. This protects their eyes until they are ready to venture out on their own, which can occur anywhere from the age of 3 1/2 to 4 weeks. After that you can take them out for longer periods of time and work on finger training them.
Record Keeping and Banding
  • A breeding record should be kept each breeding season. A notebook or ledger can be used for this, as well as breeding cards. Your records should include a log for each clutch of every pair and should include the following:
    • The band number and variety of both parents
    • The date each egg is laid
    • The date it hatches
    • Each chick's band number and variety/description
    • What happened with the chicks, and if sold, contact information of the buyer
    You can keep track of the eggs (which clutch and order laid) by marking them lightly with a pencil.
    Banding the babies makes them easier to keep track of them as a breeder. It also allows for legitimate recognition by the American Budgerigar Society (more useful in English show budgies). It also allows the bird to be traced back to you by anyone if needed. For more information on why to use leg bands, see the article ABC's of Leg Bands by Carol Highfill.
    • You can order official American Budgerigar Society bands with their online order form.
    • Banding should be done when the chick is approximately 6-10 days old, before they develop pin feathers. The chick's bones are still soft so it will not be damaged when the band is put on. The foot should be big enough so that the band does not slip off or back down onto the foot. The foot should also not be too big so that the chick would clearly be injured by the placement of the band.
    • How to band a chick:
      • It is best to band the chick when its crop is empty to prevent aspiration.
      • It may help to use an antibacterial ointment such as Neosporin to lubricate the foot the band will be slid over. This also helps if any abrasion occurs. You will need to grab the ends of the toes, so try not to get the ointment there.
      • Hold the chick firmly in one hand, using that same hand to hold the chick's leg back with toes pointed. Usually extending the leg back (towards the tail) will cause it to unclench its foot and point its toes. Do not extend the leg into any unnatural position.
      • Hold the three longest toes together and carefully slide the band on, over the ball of the foot, onto the leg. If the shortest toe is still stuck in the band, you can use a toothpick or banding utensil to free it.
Problems with Breeding
  • Egg Binding
    • Egg binding occurs when a hen who is forming an egg in her uterus does not have enough calcium to finish forming the egg shell. The shell does not become hard enough to push out, which causes the hen extreme stress and extreme risk.
    • To prevent egg binding it is very important to have a cuttlebone and mineral block available in the breeding cage. It is important to regularly check if the cuttlebone and mineral block have been used up. If so, they need to be replaced immediately. If a breeding pair does not touch the cuttlebone or mineral block, another calcium supplement may be necessary, such as oyster shell.
    • For information on treating egg binding, see FAQ - Egg Binding.
    Failure to Lay Eggs
    • A failure to lay may be the result of the cock or the hen being out of breeding condition. Not only do they need to be at least one year old, but their condition, including hormones, must also be right to breed.
    • If the pair does not lay after three weeks, consider taking them out of the breeding cage and trying another pair, or repairing them with different mates.
    Infertile Eggs
    • One possible cause for infertile eggs is that the hen laid the first clutch too soon, before the cock mated with her. Try blocking off the nest box for a few weeks, then allow her to lay a second clutch and see if they have better luck.
    • If the male is an English budgie, make sure the feathers around the vent are not so long that they cover the vent, preventing insemination. If the feathers are too long, trim them carefully with scissors, leaving the down showing around the vent.
    • Make sure all the perches are stable and do not wobble or roll.
    • If the pair produces two clutches of infertile eggs, remove them from the breeding cage and consider trying them with different mates or waiting until a later date to try again.
    Eggs Thrown from the Nest
    • Make sure there is a concave area in the nest so that the hen can sit on all the eggs without any of them getting away.
    • If the hen is young (one or two years old) refrain from breeding her for another year. Hopefully she will lose the habit with maturity.
    • If the hen continues to discard her eggs from the nest, replace her eggs with dummy eggs or white marbles. After she incubates these for a week or two, remove them and allow her to lay another clutch hopefully she will have lost her egg-throwing habit.
    • If egg tossing continues to be a problem, you can use her to foster other chicks, but you won't be able to breed her.
    Cracked or Punctured Eggs
    • An egg with a crack or puncture will probably kill the baby.
    • Cracked/punctured eggs are often a result of the hen's nails being too long. For information on nail trimming, see FAQ - Nail Trimming.
    • You can attempt to repair a cracked egg before it dries out by covering (only the cracked area) with non-toxic clear nail polish. This will often save the chick.
    Unfed Chicks
    • You can tell a newly hatch chick is being fed by looking at the crop (below the neck) to see if it is full of a milky liquid.
    • If the hen does not feed the chicks, try putting an older baby from another pair into the nest. The older chick's cries for food will stimulate the hen to feed her clutch.
    • If the young chicks have gone without food, purchase some hand-feeding formula from a pet store and hand-feed them. If the babies are newly hatched, you will not be able to use a syringe due to their small size. After cooking up the formula, dab a toothpick into the mix and then put it into the baby's beak. It should eat the formula from the toothpick. Do this until its crop is full. For more information on hand-feeding, see the article Hand Feeding Implementation by Wanda Barras.
    Physically Hurt Chicks
    • Sometimes for unknown reasons one of the parents beats up on one or more of the chicks. If this happens, foster out the chicks into other nests and don't breed the offending parent again. If the attack occurs in the nest, it was usually the hen. If the attack occurs outside the nest, it was usually the cock.
    • Sometimes the hen will pluck the feathers of her chicks. This may be to a nutritional deficiency. If this happens, provide her with an iodine salt spool. If this does not help, foster out the chicks to other nests and stop her from breeding for at least a year. Make sure her diet is better supplemented and an iodine salt lick is provided if you want to try to breed her again.
    Dead Chicks
    • Sometimes an apparently health chick will end up dead for unknown reasons. Make sure the chicks are being kept in a concave area of the nest to prevent them from wandering or rolling away when they are young and still need the warmth of their mother. Other unknown reasons may have contributed to its death, but unless there are outward signs of injury it is hard to say what happened. The occurrence is somewhat comparable to SIDS.


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Wow thanks for the tips. I am sure this will be helpful to some of our members.

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No Problem, I was doing research for my self and wanted to share

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Its always nice to have it ALL in one post (some of the info i dont agree with 100%, but in general, its great advice. As with lots of advice, ask 10 people that have been breeding for years, not all of them will agree with the same stuff!)

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That's true, it's mainly what works for the person and the bird then anything else ( same with breeding any type of animals)

What kind of Bedding for the nest box to you recommend? I know the article says unscented Pine - BUT if my store is out of that, I'd like to have another option , I know I read some where saw dust is a NO NO ( i wouldn't wanna use it any way I can't stand the smell of sall dust of any sort) and is it Bedding like for small animals? or is it somthing different and would be in a sepearte isle at the pet shop?

I know most birds kick out the majority of the nesting matrial but i also know your supposed to put it in there even though they eventually kick it out - and I think i read its supposed to be 1"thick of bedding ??

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i never use wood shavings, i use carefresh bedding, its recycled and i like the way it takes the ***** in the box, cleaning is really easy. i do add about an inch.

I also handle the babies really young, at about day 5 to start cheking on their feet and beaks. I handle just a bit at first hatch to make sure they have been fed.

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Thank you

my boyfriend asked me tonight if and when they do have babies if i was going to hand feed him, I told him most likely NO, because for one I don't know how ( but his dad has raised pigeons for years and will show me how to do it) but i've seen pictures of baby budgies and they're soo small I'd be afraid to do it, But i was planning on Handling them at the correct time so they'd at least be tame - Perhaps the first few sets won't be hand fed and tame, but at least tame counts for somthing right?

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I dont see the need to hand feed a budgie, they bond so well with humans if held consistently when they grow.

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lol by the way i have read ALL the articles u put on here when i researched them a few monthd ago! lol ! im pretty sure these info will be very helpful for some members

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I dont see the need to hand feed a budgie, they bond so well with humans if held consistently when they grow.

That's what I thought as well, I've read many times it's not the "hand feeding" that makes the bird bond so well with humans so much, it's the interaction with humans

If they were bigger birds, Maybe I'd consider it ( well I will be eventually when we get the blue quakers and hand feed them) But right now i'm just not comfertable doing it - So i'm not! lol But I will be holding them and interacting with them often when the time is right


budgiriotic - Thats what I was hopeing :-) I found it helpful, hopefully up comming breeders do as well, or even if the Baby birds were a "Accident" hopefully they'll find this helpful for them

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