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Old 09-05-2014, 09:38 PM
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In my opinion , the one thing least thought about after the breeding process is what to do with the chicks . A breeder can provide the best environment , care and could deeply love their birds . But many newcomers forget that A single pair of budgies can breed and multiply continuously and before you know it , you can end up with 15-20 extra birds . Finding suitable homing options , extra flight cages to hold them and preparation for the eventuality that we might not be able to rehome a few chicks should be important factors we consider before we think of letting our birds breed .
Unfortunately , budgies are not very unique and are treated as disposable pets by most people. Adding any more new birds to the market without thinking about what could happen with the babies in the future is highly irresponsible.

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Hi Every Body
I would like to share my MISTAKES about breeding budgies from cage to aviary.
To me buying a pair of budgie and putting them in a cage with a nest box was no problem easy said easy done? Thatís what everybody like me does without prior knowledge. Buying budgies without any Information about their Diet and Health Care was my first mistake.
After putting the budgies in the cage with a nest box in it, first thing I wish to see was babies. At that time I did not know whatís going to hit me next. When first 5 chicks appears from nest box, I was so excitement and before they started flying second clutch was there. Suddenly I was short of space even though I bought another cage for babies. I had to give up half of the babies. That was painful. Without any knowledge about Breeding Budgie and Enough Space breeding them was my second mistake. (In my opinion breeding plan according to space needs to be addressed)
I had to shift my birds to an Aviary. As soon as I shifted my budgies in aviary fights among female for nest box break out and I was shocked to see my cute little birdies fighting like eagles. In March 2014 when I shifted my budgies I am facing the problems and searching the solutions. My aviary is totally redesigned and still it is an on-going process in short. Aviary breeding is for experts not for armatures.
During my searches to educate myself about budgies, I read an article about Fallows by Ghalib Al Nasser he wrote that the best quality Fallows he had seen came from Australian breeders. The Australian breeder Ian Hanington who is producing the best quality Fallows, in his interview he said that after breeding 200 pairs I am unable to breed Grey Fallow and Dr Margaret Young who is breeding English Fallows for more than 10 years. She said she had bred some stunning coloured fallows, English Fallows are still under size. Even after reading this heart breaking statements by this world renowned professionals I decided to breed Fallow. My biggest mistake, I know my life will be miserable please pray for me I needed that
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Excuse me if this was mentioned earlier I kind of glanced quickly through the thread.

After reading everything on this site and all I could find about breeding and then waiting a year before I actually put the pairs together, and from seeing others problems, I would say that having everything ready before you start is the main key.
Have your syringe, spoon, eggfood formula, hospital cage, liquid calcium, and anything else to help with what could go wrong, on hand and ready to go. Most items that are needed for an emergency are need right away, not after you ask about a crises and find out you need them and its late everything is closed or too far away. I used Lindseys list of items to have on hand as well as items needed that Jo Ann always tells us about for cures and ailments that may help your budgies survive until you can get to a vet. I had everything ready and luckily did not need any of it but in an emergency it was available.

So I guess to summerize "Be prepared"
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Old 09-14-2014, 02:20 PM
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Well, since I'm one of those clueless people with my OOPS babies, I can add what I've learned..
1. Don't believe everything the bird store (and this was not even a general pet store, but a specialty bird shop.. lots of parrots, conures, lovebirds, etc).. tells you. They told us mating wouldn't be an issue and if we happened to find eggs, just to toss them.
2. We had no coconut hut, snugglies, etc.. she had her eggs on the floor of the cage.. If I hadn't found this forum, I couldn't have raised these chicks. Maybe, in hindsight, I shouldn't have.
3. Learning as much about basic bird care as you can is vital. A cautionary note.. before I came to this forum, I had been doing a ton of reading on the internet, and not all the info, as with any subject, is valid. There is a ton of misinformation around.
4. I had never heard of egg food before this forum. The bird store didn't tell us that either, when I found I had eggs and wanted to do my best to keep the hen and cock healthy and safe.. no advice about conditioning, etc from them, other than to recommend I add a supplement such as oat groats or a conditioning supplement.
5. I don't consider myself stupid and I wanted to do the best I could for my birds.. I can afford vet care, proper housing, etc for them. BUT... I was not prepared for being a bird parent. I'm very lucky to have found you all... Now, I have to learn about caring for these little guys. I planned to have 2 budgies... and learning about them with the guidance of the bird store "experts".... but....
6. So, basically, I agree with all your comments. Even I cringe sometimes when I read some questions here.. just like you all must have cringed when you read mine.

So, please keep educating us... I've learned so much (never heard of a recessive pied or a graywing, creamino or the like... lol!!).... and hopefully, I can help other novices someday.

Just my 2 cents... having been there and done that...
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It is my absolute belief that before anyone breeds their budgies, they MUST have a first aid kit. This should include a packet of formula which can be kept in an airtight container in the freezer, in the event they need to take over feeding the babies. A thermometer of course. The name and phone number of their Avian vet. Save the funds up so that the money is available in the event they need help. These are living creatures that depend on US for help. If you are going to breed more, do the right thing and put money away in case they require veterinary assistance.

Corn Starch or Styptic powder in the event the baby is attacked, to stop bleeding (they dont have a lot of it!) - and sadly, babies do get attacked ... the bottom line is that first aid can save your babies, as well as your budgies!
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My daughter and I (especially my daughter) are constantly doing budgie research. I never felt all that confident about the info I read online until I found this site (and cute little birdies aviary). A couple of mistakes we have made is not having a varied enough diet, so the parents got burned out (we think) and weren't caring well enough for the chicks. Another mistake was not keeping the nest box clean enough. I don't know if that's what led to our problem, but three of the four chicks had splayed legs. Thankfully, we were able to diagnose them early and correct the problem with medical tape (thank you cutelittlebirdies). We do have emergency supplies, and I'm thankful, because we've had to use the styptic powder, and start hand-feeding the chicks when they weren't getting enough feedings from the parents. We love breeding, and did find a good pet store that will buy the chicks from us, but I'd like to learn more about how to personally find good homes for the chicks (website? facebook? word of mouth?). I guess, even though we did a lot of research to begin with, we're still making mistakes and learning from them.
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If you decide to go into breeding as a commercial enterprise, don't treat the business side as something to deal with when it pops up. Plan now.
Have a written Terms of Service detailing your terms, and a written contract setting out price, quantity, etc. Keep records of everything in case you are successful enough that you might need to deal with the IRS, so you can deduct allowable expenses including capital depreciation of cages over a number of years.

Here are some items one might want to think about and plan for in writing:

Where is the sale? Do you bring the birds to the store or are they shipped or picked up?

Who has liability between your home and the store? Are the birds prepaid or will the store pay after receipt? (In selling to an individual, ordinarily one gets paid first, but huge stores often require satisfactory receipt prior to payment)

What if the birds you have contracted to sell get sick and die? Worse, what if they are ill and infect the pet store birds? Who pays for all the vet care? (Hint: get business insurance because the pet store is going to sue you if that happens)

If you are not old enough to write a contract, will your parents help?

Is it legal to have a business in your home? (Some HOAs and subdivisions prohibit this)

Are there permits required if you have a certain number of critters in your home?

If there is an unfortunate lawsuit, under the laws of which state will the suit proceed under?

What happens if there is a force majeur, such as a hurricane, that wipes out all the stock that has been sold on paper? Whose insurance covers that?

If it is a large order, who counts and confirms the number of birds received?
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Wow, Lindsey, great thread and I can't wait to hear about the article

Everything I would have said has already been mentioned, I agree completely! The things that I feel are the worst are not being prepared, not researching; so many accidents and problems could be avoided just by doing those two things!
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Although this is an old thread.. it is a timeless one, and a good one . It's good to read as a review, especially for people thinking about breeding, or for those of us non-breeders who just want to broaden our knowledge.
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