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My budgie Reggie is probably the worst behaved budgie on this entire planet and I don't know what to dooo!!! HELP ME!!
Soo, I'll start from the beginning... (sorry for the long story but I figure you guys will want the details)
I got my budgie back in 2012 around Christmas time.. I THINK, not 100% on that, I'm terrible with timelines. So I've had her a few years..
I'm almost positive she's a 3 year old female, as she has a brown cere, sometimes goes darker but always brown. Looks almost exactly like this little pixelated budgie here lol
She started off extremely sweet, I bought her from a home that hand raises budgies so she already knew how to perch on my hand and she learned a ton of words including her name "Reggie", "What are you doing?", and a ton of other hilarious noises and words. A real joy of a budgie..
Buuut, I think thats when things started to go south like I perhaps spoiled her because she was always out of the cage at the time, only going back in at night. I only had that budgie and my small dog who pretends like the bird doesn't exist.
I also want to point out that I'm a bit of an agoraphobic so I dont leave the house often, resulting in the budgie probably getting more attached.
So, that's how the first year of her life went.. Unfortunately I had to move after that and took her with me to move back in with my mom. The travel there was fine, she sat on my lap in a small travel cage and we settled in nicely.
After that's when the screeching started...
Worst. Sound. Ever. Constant screeching that just would not stop. I think that was because she wasn't allowed out as much as she wanted, due to living in another home that just wasn't equip for the bird to be out 24/7 as it could be dangerous due to ceiling fans in the heat, etc. So when she'd freak we'd just cover her up for a bit then uncover her which was annoying but it worked for the time being. I still got her out though every day for about a couple hours or something. I know she is attached to me and I'm part of her flock but there was nothing I could do really, other than hope she adjusts to the changes.
...and that's when the biting started.
When I'd give her time out of the cage, she started getting obsessive compulsive about peoples mouths, and would just go nuts and extremely hyperactive, trying to get at anyones face and mouth. And she would end up biting mine or my mom's lip extremely hard, almost drawing blood. She even would bite you on the nose, or the nostril.
And if you tried to move her away from your face she would bite your fingers and hands. Super painful and annoying! So I would have to put her back in the cage without her getting her full amount of time out of the cage, making me feel guilty but my hands were tied basically.
Then I made the dumb decision of getting a cat, and that didn't go well either, the screeching increased and then I ended up moving again in with my boyfriend after another year as well. (I move a lot apparently, lol)
Since I wasn't able to give my budgie as much attention and the screeching was as bad as ever, especially if I had the cage in the same room and the budgie could see me, I decided to get her a friend, thinking that if she's lonely then another budgie will help.
She completely does not like the new budgie but doesn't hurt it or anything. Just keeps her distance and doesn't let the little one touch her. Anyways, she completely ignored it and was still attached to me. Just would not stop jumping onto the side of the cage and churp excessively whenever it saw me and payed the new one no mind, which was extremely frustrating.
And the worst part was, I couldn't let her out without biting me!!
As far as things with the cat went, I had to yell at the cat to leave the birds alone a lot and eventually had to find a new home for the cat due to it attacking the cage and my dog. Which might have made her more edgy and angry with me, or caused her to start obsessively hating me, maybe?
About a year later, things with my boyfriend went south, yes, I moved again after a year and here we are now at my current apartment. I've been here about a month now, and it's a bachelor apartment so I have to keep them in the same room as me, facing me. When in the last place I kept them in the other room because it seemed like the TV was causing a lot of the screechie behavior, or just her seeing me in general and wanting attention that I can't give her because she bites the heck out of me if I let her out.
At this point, I can't even let her out anymore without her biting me instantly within a few minutes. And I mean like attacking me. She flies right at my head and bites my hand if I try to move her away. Like she's a little plane going in for an attack. Or an angry hornet or mosquito or something. Just an absolute terror and I have tried every thing you can find online to stop this behavior, and have tried using like a can with change in it to make loud noise to stop it from screeching. The covering of the cage no longer works, she just screeches even when covered unless its night time and the sun has gone down.
In the mornings she screeches like a banshee until you uncover her, and she wakes up at the tiniest noise and starts it at like 8 in the morning.
I swear... All I do is exhale and she hears it and starts with the screeching.
I honestly feel like I'm trapped and walking on eggshells because of this bird. I don't get out much due to my condition and it's driving me crazy. I feel like I am being held hostage by this bird. Soo, during a quiet moment or like 2 minutes in between the screeching, I uncover the cage and do the routine of cleaning and filling their dishes and giving them their food and bird gravel and such. And they're quiet for a while until...
Reggie gets bored.
She'll jump onto the side of the cage looking at me and screeching, hyperactively hanging upside down, running up and down the sides of the cage, like she's taunting me or something. She'll screech then stop and look at me waiting for a reaction. Then go into full blown freakouts... All while I'm trying to ignore the squawking because I read that giving the squawking attention makes them do it worse.And let me add, I do not ever condone the behavior or give it attention when it does that, nor have I ever from the beginning so I don't know how it got like that. I even tried taking her out of the cage and putting her into another cage in another room, then bring her back in when she's calm and if she freaks again I put her in the other cage.. That eventually became a game to her as well. She just feeds off the bad behavior and seems to love it. Whenever I leave the room or go to wash dishes in the kitchen she screeches like a banshee as well. If I go to the bathroom she is plastered to the side of the cage upside down and churping like a madwoman. Every. Darn. Time.
Another weird thing she does is pick up the bird gravel from the dish and throw it onto the floor of the cage maniacally and frantically until all the bird gravel is gone from the dish, then once the bird gravel is gone she'll peck at the bottom of the dish for a while too...
I'd take her with me to the other room but again, can't let her out because she bites me or my hands if I'm doing anything with my hands.
She just seems overly hyperactive, needy, bratty, angry... I just don't know what to do anymore and I feel like crying when I think about it. Like I know she needs and wants attention that I can't give her because she hurts me... It's utterly frustrating.
I know things have changed since she was a baby and I have moved a lot but the other budgie is fine and doesn't have these problems. Could it be the hand raising that makes it so needy? I got her friend from the pet store and I've had no problems with her.
At this point the only thing that works is a squirt bottle with water in it. I know they bathe in water and there's nothing harmful in it, it just shocks her for a moment and she's good for a while until she forgets or gets bored again and I have to squirt her. I hate having to do this and I'm sure I'm going to get lectured because of it but honestly at this point I am at wits end. It's the only thing that works. Another thing I forgot to add, she screeches extra hard if I have company over, and we're talking. Or if I'm on the phone talking. She hates when I talk and screeches over me to the point where I lose my patience. Anyone that comes over is like holy crap how do you deal with that..
I don't know!! I hate it!! I can't stand it anymore. She has the worst behavioral problem I've ever seen and I've never read about any this bad before either.
So, as it stands, the squirt bottle is the only thing that works, and even then I'm worried she's becoming impervious to that as well, and like it's becoming a game to her when she's bored. I have a ton of toys in her cage, and she's got a friend, and she's not locked alone in a room anywhere or anything. Perfectly socialized. Only problem is I just can't let her out anymore due to attacking me and my guests, terrorizing everything non stop.
Can't leave her, can't let her out, can't stand the screeching.
She's got everything she needs in her cage, I think. Like maybe there are some changes I should make to her diet? She's also a seed-junkie that I've been trying to get to eat other things but only really likes hard boiled eggs so far(still in the process of finding other things, can't get her to eat pellets either, but I'm still trying!) Won't eat any fruit or veggies. I guess what I'm looking to get out of this post is to get some tips on how to reduce this behavior, or any thing I could give her or ways to play with her without getting bit... Any suggestions really!!
HELP! Is there even anything I can do?? I feel like I've tried everything at this point and she just wants attention that I can't even give her because she bites me! We're caught in a endless and vicious cycle...
I don't want to be held hostage by such a tiny creature anymore!


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Old 05-28-2015, 08:34 PM
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You poor thing...I have a small idea idea of what you are going through, but only small - long story. The situation is not good for her either, she is far from happy and has quite a few issues...maybe talking to an animal behaviourist ? Someone else will be able to help you with this...hoping you both have better times ahead
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Hi Katie and to Talk Budgies!

Unfortunately, your budgie is extremely stressed and unhappy and it seems the situation has progressively gone downhill over three years time. I won't re-iterate the things you wrote in your post that have contributed to your Reggie's behavior. Suffice it to say she is miserable and her subsequent behavior makes you miserable as well.

How long have you had the second budgie?
How does it cope with with living in the same cage with Reggie?

I'd take a look at Rebecca O'Connor's article on 10 steps to having a calmer bird -- you can find it through this link:
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Rebecca offers a great deal of excellent advice in her books and articles which would be of benefit in your situation.

Good luck with the re-training of Reggie.

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Oh, we have a vet here in Australia, TV personality - Dr Harry, that advocates you spray an animal, (cats/dogs mainly - don't know how effective with budgies though), with a spray bottle filled with water and a small amount of vinegar...his method does work and he is well respected.
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Just noticed it's your first post - so, Hi and Welcome, Katie
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wow, i am really just amazed at how you budgie is so strongly bonded to you (I'm not speaking in a negative way). i have never heard of a budgie (i feel like it is more common in larger parrots) being so possessive of a person. i do feel that it might be because he was hand reared and more then likely hand fed.

anyways, i will add my 2 cents.

like you expected, i am going to 'lecture' you about spraying them with water. i understand how it feels to be overly frustrated and do what ever you can (i will sadly and quietly admit that i have tried to catch 2 of my birds while flying because i couldn't put them back because they were be so attached to each other that day and they didn't want to step up, despite the darkened room, so i began swatting at them as they flew by and i tried grabbing them on the trees. i am NOT proud of that moment, but i reached my limit in a time sensitive situation) but disciplining them with something that is supposed to be positive is wrong. i use water to distract my birds. Pickle is another bird that i have become frustrated with a few times because of hormones and egg laying. she loves water and being misted, so i distract her and then she takes a bath in the water bowl by herself.

i have a lot i want to type out here so bare with me!

i am not sure how much you know about how birds think, but i will try and explain it anyway. birds are not like dogs or cats or horses (well cats are a different story ). there is no 'alpha-bird' in a flock and no flock leader. there might be popular birds in a flock, but they do not control everyone else. birds see us as equals (or their mate if they are bonded with you), and i like to refer the the relationship as "one hand washes the other". you do something for them and they will do something for you. they won't just obey all of the rules. because birds are different than dogs, you will notice that yelling and disciplining them will not work, because they do not understand it. yelling will work short term (we have probably all yelled at the fids at one point), but it won't last.

parrots take a long time to break habits. it takes effort and patience. parrots learn best by positive reinforcement. it is a slow process, but its worth it in the end. instead of telling them all the things they can't do, tell them the things that the can do. in the 2 minutes that she is quiet, give her attention- even it its just talking- and treats.

i would recommend trying to "re- train" her using target and touch training. this will be easiest if she has a favorite treat, maybe millet? the technique is simple. first get her used to the fact that a click from the clicker means that she gets a treat. it might be best to try it when she is quiet. when she learns what the click means, introduce a chopstick or a bamboo skewer. put the end of the skewer between the bars (since you probably dint want the cage open yet). when she touches the end, click and treat. keep trying this until she get the process. only do this for a minute or two so she isn't bored. hopefully the integration and mental stimulation of having a "job" will keep her more focused and stop the screaming during the training session.

if she does get the hang of it. try opening the door and doing the training in the cage but with the door open. hopefully by now she has stopped lungeing at you. if all is well, try doing this out of the cage. i know this is a very touchy subject on here, but if you get her out of the cage and she is still a little interested in your mouth, you could give her a partial wing clip (either the outer 2 flights or the outer 5 flights). this will keep her grounded for a while and you can focus and be more confident with the touch/clicker training sessions- still keep the sessions short. with any luck by the time her wings are grown in, she has learned to respect your space more. i forgot to mention that when she understands to touch the target, you can move it to different places so she has to move around in order to touch it. if you want to, you can use the clicker to try and to teach her tricks. animals learn faster with clicker training because it is a sound, not a word. the sound takes shorter amount of time than it takes for you to say "good", so you pinpoint the action at the exact moment that she does something right. also it is a universal sound. the sound of my voice saying "good" would be different from yours, so it is different for the bird. for a clicker, it sounds the same no matter who's clicking it!

anyways, clicker training should get you two back to speaking the same language.

i also saw a video on youtube of hoe this guy stopped his cockatoo from screaming for attention by using a controllable strobe light. he had a remote to it and when he left the room and his bird screamed. he would make it light up a few times (it was on the floor), the bird would get distracted and stop screaming. i think it was call "stop screaming polly" or something like that. distraction is another way to stop behaviors.

i would recommend signing up to get emails from Birdtricks.com. theses people are like the bird whispers. their blog has useful info and you can contact them. they have new "bird tricks tuesdays" videos where they explain all of the things i am trying to say better.

as for improving her diet, i recommend feeding her sprouted seed. all of my guys love it, even the picky ones. here is my thread on how to do it:

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i hope this helps, give it a try and keep us posted!!!
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Thanks for the replies and welcomes, everyone! It's unfortunate that I had to become a member on such crappy terms, but I'm very grateful for the advice.
Yeahh, unfortunately I had to move a lot and that alone could probably be a cause of a lot of issues and the many other things I named. I'm hoping that after I've been settled here for a while and I try some of these awesome suggestions you gave me, things might settle down around here.
I knew nothing about budgies when I got Reggie and I really should have researched a lot more when it came to establishing a routine, etc..
Anyways, as for the other budgie, Daisy, she seems okay living with her... She doesn't screech like Reggie does and she is very calm. She just chills there while Reggie is causing all the racket, probably annoyed. She sticks close to Reggie but also keeps her distance a little and doesn't eat until after Reggie does... So we can tell who makes the rules around there but she doesn't seem unhappy or anything. Maybe just a bit scared.
They have a cockatiel sized cage so there's plenty of room for her to get away and have her own space, thankfully.
Actually, my mom said to try vinegar with the water squirt bottle too so we did at first and it worked really well but to be honest I got worried that it might hurt their little eyes or something so I just switched it to water. It made a big impact but again, I just was worried about it hurting them since they're so small. I think with just the water in it, she might think that it IS infact a game since it isn't really deterring her from doing it again and only shocks her momentarily.
Thank you Deborah and Susan for your replies! I was worried no one would reply since my post was so long, I'm relieved. We are both clearly unhappy here so any input is greatly appreciated <3

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Aaand read.
Thank you, Shelly! Yeah, Reggie loves me so much she's become obsessive and sometimes that borders on love and hate, it seems, lol. I didn't think it was possible for a bird to get so attached to a human, it's intense and hard to take at times. But honestly, when things are good, it's amazing having that bond and interacting with her, that's why it makes me so darn sad that things have gone this way.
Ahh, so it seems that maybe the water is egging her on to use the bad behavior more, or maybe teach her that water is bad.. But as it stands they love to bathe in their water dish every day still.
The clicker actually sounds like an amazing idea!! I get paid tomorrow so I'm going to go and pick up a clicker, and perhaps try the sprouting seed thing too. They refuse to eat pellets, I wish there was an alternative because I've wasted so many different bags of them and it got costly so things are kind of at a stand still at this point.
Anyways, I have a tendency to ramble apparently, lol, so thanks again for the awesome idea and I'll keep everyone posted!

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Hello Katie and to TB!

I can only say that I'm glad you're so devoted to finding a "cure" to her behavior instead of getting rid of her.
I agree that your frustration was probably not very helpful to her behavior, but I also agree with the suggested advice.
The only thing I will add is that it's important she feels like you love her, not like she's fighting an uphill battle. Chances are whatever you feel towards/about her, she probably feels towards you, too, and positive reinforcement will really start to heal it.
Above advice is all wonderful
It's great to have you and I would love to see some pictures of your little diva when you get the chance, as well as docile Daisy
Please do ask about anything else you're unsure of!
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