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Determining Gender Having trouble figuring out if your budgie is a male or female? Ask here!

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Hello knowledgable bird people!

Ever since my sister got a new budgie (Mio) a few weeks ago, I have been set on finding out what variation it is.

He (or she, but we think it's a male) is about 3.5 months, so I everything isn't quite "settled" yet, but I know its a recessive pied, yellowface or goldenface, unsure about SF spangle (but I think so?), and also not quite sure about the color, probably cobalt?

The more I search, the more confused I get - it has been really hard to find pictures of similar looking budgies.

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I'm going to have a try to test myself

I think he's a yellowface type 1 recessive pied single factor spangle cobalt.

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He is beautiful!

He is cobalt, single factor violet, yellowface type II (he could be YF I but since he's still young you'll have to wait until after his first moult to see if the yellow spreads into the blue or not) single factor spangle recessive pied budgie

And definitely a little boy What a cutie!
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Ooh Mio is so gorgeous! I'm jealous . It was a recessive pied budgie who was similar (yellow and different shade of blue) who first attracted me to budgies . Unfortunately Twigs only lived about 4 years. Recessive pied yellow/blue still remains my favorite.
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He is cobalt, single factor violet, yellowface type II (he could be YF I but since he's still young you'll have to wait until after his first moult to see if the yellow spreads into the blue or not) single factor spangle recessive pied budgie
I thought he could be YF 2 but wasn't sure because the body is that really light lemon yellow and his face is a little darker but it didn't really look like a buttercup yellow to me.

I've lately been learning about the violet factors because I recently bought a beautiful violet opaline cock (I think he's single factor cobalt but not sure).
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What a cute boy! The blue-gray and cream yellow really go well together
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I thought he could be YF 2 but wasn't sure because the body is that really light lemon yellow and his face is a little darker but it didn't really look like a buttercup yellow to me.

I've lately been learning about the violet factors because I recently bought a beautiful violet opaline cock (I think he's single factor cobalt but not sure).
He sounds gorgeous!

Generally, even YF II looks light in baby budgies and darkens with the first few moults as it spreads to the body colour. You can see that change in my girl Mallorn, who is YF II:

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We'll have to wait and see what this little guy ends up being!

Also, body colours like light green, dark green, cobalt, etc. don't come in single or double factor, like other mutations. They are controlled by the presence of dark factors. If a budgie has 0 dark factors, it will be sky blue or light green. If it has 1 dark factor, it will be cobalt or dark green. If the budgie has 2 dark factors, it will be mauve or olive green
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Also, body colours like light green, dark green, cobalt, etc. don't come in single or double factor, like other mutations. They are controlled by the presence of dark factors. If a budgie has 0 dark factors, it will be sky blue or light green. If it has 1 dark factor, it will be cobalt or dark green. If the budgie has 2 dark factors, it will be mauve or olive green
It's so confusing! The fact that the presence of the violet changes the normal body colour as well as the YF having an effect on the colour too.

So in that case my new boy would be a cobalt (1 light factor, 1 dark factor) with the violet making him visually violet (violet cobalt) and opaline...

But then there's single and double factor violet. How do you determine that?
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I'm not seeing much violet on my screen, does he look violet in real life? Fromt he pictures I'd say cobalt without violet.

The yellow seems very pale so I would guess yf1 at this stage.

Recessive pieds often show opaline just by a lack of markings on the back between the wings, without any body colour on the wings. I would not be surprised if this one was opaline as well.
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He is beautiful!

He is cobalt, single factor violet, yellowface type II (he could be YF I but since he's still young you'll have to wait until after his first moult to see if the yellow spreads into the blue or not) single factor spangle recessive pied budgie

And definitely a little boy What a cutie!

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I'm not seeing much violet on my screen, does he look violet in real life? Fromt he pictures I'd say cobalt without violet.

The yellow seems very pale so I would guess yf1 at this stage.

Recessive pieds often show opaline just by a lack of markings on the back between the wings, without any body colour on the wings. I would not be surprised if this one was opaline as well.
So many mutations - like he's been collecting them.

I don't think he looks violet, but I will try to get some more pics in daylight when I go visit today (the others where taken with my sisters mobile cam).

About the opaline, I was wondering about that. I guess tail feather will show it more precicely after the molt?

And regarding the tail feathers - they seem short to me, but I don't know if it is his age, or the fact that he was bullied by his siblings (and they might have ripped it out)?

He is definitely beautiful, and very social (or itchy? lol) - we're all in love with him. <3




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Thank you everyone for your answers and praise - really appritiated.

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