Budgie BreedingBefore breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility. Thread Description:Budgie Breeding
I have a few questions I thought I would ask you about some of my birds.
1. One of my boys has always had a blue cere and he is started getting some brown on it. I have read that this might be a form of cancer???
2. One of my girls has a crusty cere and is a bit fluffed up lately.
3. My birds are given good sized cages, are in clean environments and are given clean boxes with unscented wood shavings in the box. I currently feed them a diet of cod liver oil with seed. Also VETAFARM nutriblend pellets. They always have clean water and of veges once a week. Do I need to do anything else and also, not one of them has shown signs of breeding. Am I doing anything wrong?
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Welcome to the forums,
If you don't mind, I will start by asking a few questions first.
How many budgies do you currently have?
Are they all housed in the same cage?
Are you relatively new to budgie ownership?
Before taking the breeding route and in order to do so more safely, a person should have a very good grasp of the species (this comes with real life experience in budgie ownership) and to do the required research into the subject.
The decision to breed comes with a whole lot of responsibility and commitment, the lives of the breeding pair(s) and the chicks are depending on you and the response you give if/when faced with adversity.
Things like being able to tell if your breeding pair is in good health and top physical condition to go through breeding; when a hen is expecting an egg or if she is showing the first signs of being egg bound; when a chick is having developmental problems, not being fed or showing signs of dehydration;
when there is aggression, abandonment and neglect of the chicks and it's solely up to you to feed and raise the chicks. The ability to detect early on and solve these issues can truly make a difference on the outcome of your breeding journey.
Regarding your male budgie, he may have some kind of hormonal imbalance, it doesn't necessarily mean that he has cancer, still this is something that should be properly addressed with an avian vet specialist.
Budgies with overall weaker immune systems, health problems are not good candidates to breed, not only their health would be seriously compromised if they were allowed to breed (resulting in the most extreme cases in the untimely passing of one of the budgie parents), but also the chances for the chicks to inherit the parents' ailments will be higher.
Any potential pair must be in top physical health and condition to breed and the necessary requirements must be met in order for them to do so safely.
At this point and given the fact you are concerned about the health of two of your budgies, it would be best for you to remove the nest boxes and to book your budgies an appointment with an avian vet specialist.
Please provide the answers to the questions aluz has posed to you.
Once you do so, then we will have more background in order to help.
With regard to your male budgie, I recommend seeing an Avian Vet.
Avian Vets have special training to determine the cause of symptoms resulting from illness or trauma.
This is important as "regular" vets will often overlook symptoms that are quickly obvious to an Avian Vet.
When you rely on anyone who has not had training in Avian diagnosis and care, you may be delaying effective treatment.
This can prolong suffering that may be avoidable.
The bird will often require a more intense, prolonged treatment with a poorer chance of full recovery than it would have if you seek prompt professional diagnosis and treatment at the first sign of illness.
I agree; aluz has asked some great questions! Around here, we all try to encourage the very best budgie care practices, so we tend to ask lots of questions to new forum members so we know how best to assist them
Other than the great advice already mentioned, if you could post a photo of your male and female's ceres, that would be best.
Are you positive the male is indeed male? When females come out of condition and have light blue ceres, they can be confused with males. However, I agree that if he is male, a brown cere isn't necessarily cancer.
With regards to your female, a photo would help confirm this, but if her cere is just brown and sort of flakey she may simply be in condition, if there is any whitish crust around it, she may have scaley face mites.
Meanwhile, be sure to read through the links provided above as they will help you to stay posted on the very best of budgie practices! If you have any questions afterwards, don't hesitate to ask as we'd love to help
In answer to your questions aluz:
3. No, I have had budgies for a very long time. Unfortunately early this year one of my babies got PBFD. A diease where they lose all there feathers. My vet came to the conclusion to put them down. I then had to buy all new stuff, cages, food and water containers and birds. I started up again about 3 months ago and it has been going very well. I have bread my budgies and I am the supplier of the birds within a 3 hour area. (Many people and as was I was upset about this.)
I live in a very small rural community in NSW, Australia. As with this there is no avian vet within about 6 hours. Though I did make the trip early this year with the PBFD. Is there anyone else that may do the trick???
I have (hopefully) posted some pics of the birds. I bought the male from a registered breeder with high knowledge and he was certain that he was a male.
Also, is the diet I talked about in my first post good for the birds, is there anything else I can do. I used to make egg mix and sprouted seeds for the chicks and parents.
Thank you so much for responding and talk to you soon.
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I'm sorry to hear about the tragedy that struck your previous flock.
From the photo it really does seem that your budgie is a male and despite the issue with the long travel, it would really be best to have him seen by an avian vet, so you have a better idea on his health and to hopefully fix the potential hormonal imbalance problem.
It would also be wise to not allow this budgie to breed because at the moment he may not be able to fertilize the eggs due to the hormonal changes.
As for your female, from the photo she seems to be in good shape. But if you notice steep decline in her energy levels and appetite, then it would also be good to have her examined by a vet.
As for the diet, you can offer veggies more often, you can even do so on a daily basis.
For all the detailed information, be sure to check the stickies at this section: http://talkbudgies.com/314-diet-nutrition/
Best of luck with everything! I hope your budgie's condition improves soon.
EDIT: Upon taking a better look at the first pic, I couldn't help to notice the bell toy that is showing signs of having rust.
In order to prevent your budgies from getting sick, it would be best to replace that bell for a new one. It would be a good idea to also replace the rope perch since it's also somewhat frayed.
I have had my budgies for about a year now and they were about 6 months when I first got them and none have showed any signs of breeding! I had them together for about a month then split them into pairs. I have 5 pairs. After 6 months in cages by themselves none showed any sign of breeding, no eggs and hadn't seen them breed. So I mixed up the pairs, after another six months no one has layed any eggs or mated. I feed them vetafarm pellets and once a week they get a tray of seed with cod liver oil. They are fed veges every day (carrots, spinach, apples and I go and pull out some grass).
The purpose of this forum is to promote the best practices in care of budgies for their optimal health and well being.
I checked your previous thread and see that you've owned and bred budgies previously.
As such, you are already aware it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.
There are many risks associated with breeding budgies and one must be well-versed in budgie care, health, personality and have the ability to deal with health related problems that may arise.
May I ask why you are so keen to have your budgies breed?
Did you get your current budgies for the express purpose of breeding rather than having them as pets?
Is this because you want to sell the offspring?
Are all of the budgies a minimum of 12 to 18 months old at this time? Budgies should not be bred prior to that age.
I assume you are certain none of the birds paired are related, have no health problems and have the proper temperament for breeding?
Are you certain the budgies are in condition at this time?
I've merged this thread with your previous thread for convenience.
To answer directly your question the qnswer is not .. just give them time .. anything alse can stress them ..
Generally thinking ..
Usually you only provide the best you can for their well living , and you dont care if they will or not breed ( we all know its beautifull etc etc but its not only that .. ) They will tell you with their behaviour after this if they want to breed or not , to play or not , to fly on you or not etc etc ..
Think like a human .. You cant just take a man and a woman put them in a room give them venereal food and just w8 for them to produce babies ....
The same happens with every other living being in Earth ..