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Budgie Breeding Before breeding any species, it is important to learn as much about the animals, their personalities and the best practices to follow for responsible and ethical breeding prior to making the commitment to take on the responsibility.
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Hello everyone! As some of you may remember, I attempted to breed my pair Hermes and Izzy last summer. It was unsuccessful so I gave them the rest of summer, fall, and winter off and decided to try for the following spring/summer. Well, spring will be here in a couple months and to give my pair the best chance of a successful breeding this time around, I'm going to prepare even more in advance. As I found out last time, sometimes random questions surface during the process. Or sometimes I wanted someone's opinion on something. So this time around I'm going to plan ahead and just make an ongoing thread for all breeding-related things. I don't want to make a breeding journal until eggs are laid because if my pair is unsuccessful again the breeding journal would end depressingly

So, my plan for this attempt is to condition the birds more in advance. They are on a seed/pellet diet year-round with dried fruits and veggies (plus fresh when they actually eat them). Closer to breeding them I'll give them some higher fat & protein foods. I think I'm going to buy at least one of the supplements Cute Little Birdies Aviary (website was very helpful last time around and am going to use it this time too recommends as well. The supplement I'm looking at is instructed to give 6-8 weeks before breeding. I'll get some egg food as well. Here's the page I'm referring to What Is Breeding Condition? - Cute Little Birdies Aviary

I was also planning on just keeping the birds in their "mansion" when I breed them. The rule is, "the bigger the cage the better" so I'm assuming this still applies to a breeding cage? I can move them back to the smaller breeding cage I used last year but I'd feel bad putting them back in after getting used to their huge cage.

So as far as the time I'm aiming to breed them...
My original plan was to aim for the eggs to hatch around the end of May (around when I get out of school), so I'd put the nest box in probably mid April to give them time to get used to it. But now my family's planned a trip to Europe for 2 weeks from end of May to beginning of June. I really don't want to leave young chicks/hatching eggs for 2 weeks especially since it'll be their first clutch. Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to go to Europe, but it does complicate this.

I also thought about putting the nest box in before I leave so that when we get back they'll probably be settling down and ready to mate/already mating. But if they take to the nest quicker than last year I could have a hen that may be starting to lay when I'm gone. I really want to be around when Iz starts laying to make sure she doesn't have any complications. Someone would check in on them when I'm gone but I really trust myself more to deal with any issues.

If I wait until I get back to put the nest box in, then I'll be around for the whole process. This appeals to me but then the chicks probably won't hatch until mid-summer and I'd be back in school when they're feathered and starting to be weaned. I want to make sure the chicks are exposed to everything they could be in their new homes. Plus, I want to have time to play with them at that stage. The beginning of the school year is usually the most hectic for me so I'm normally very busy. The other problem is that my cousin is already lined up to take home one of the chicks. Her parents would love to give it to her for her birthday, at the end of April. If I wanted the chicks ready around then I'd have to start conditioning now with that supplement. Which is part of the reason I'm posting this so early. Of course I'd also be in school if I bred them in the coming months but the end of the year is a lot less busy so I have more time. I also have more days off of school. I'm not busy with the stable or training/riding my horse right now since I broke my wrist almost a week ago.

Obviously the birds' safety and well-being is above getting a budgie in time for my cousin's birthday. But I'd really love to make it happen since she's been waiting over a year for this chick. She could get one from someone else but she loves my pair and I'd love being able to see the chick again. I can make her wait until the end of summer if I breed them when I get back from Europe, but as I said, the closer to her birthday the better.

So I guess I'm asking about your guy's take on this. What do you think I should do? Pros and cons to each. Thanks for beginning this year's breeding adventure with me! Buckle your seat belts everyone!

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You definitely should not leave while they have eggs/chicks in the box! That is an essential time for you to be there and it is very, very important you are present to supervise and ensure everything goes well.

It will be fine if you are in school while the chicks are continuing to wean, provided you can provide them enough attention in the mornings and afternoons. It is definitely a much better alternative than the previous one!

I know you've already done quite a lot of research, so well done! Although, it never hurts to look through everything one more time I look forward to hearing about your breeding endeavour and hope things go well!
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Haha yes this will now be my 3rd year researching. I read up on everything including those links a year prior to the first breeding attempt, then researched again right before and during that entire attempt Of course I'm reviewing and re-reviewing (is that a word?) it all again this year.

Have you ever bred your birds? I'm curious because another's experience is always helpful!

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You definitely should not leave while they have eggs/chicks in the box! That is an essential time for you to be there and it is very, very important you are present to supervise and ensure everything goes well.

It will be fine if you are in school while the chicks are continuing to wean, provided you can provide them enough attention in the mornings and afternoons. It is definitely a much better alternative than the previous one!

I know you've already done quite a lot of research, so well done! Although, it never hurts to look through everything one more time I look forward to hearing about your breeding endeavour and hope things go well!
Oh yes that's why I have to find a different time to put the nest box in! I know the first little bit is probably most essential because that's when the chicks are most fragile. I don't think Izzy will be aggressive but if she were I'd have to be around to step up. Or if she doesn't feed I will handfeed. This post was kind of me thinking out loud to figure out when the best time to set them up with the nest box will be As always, thanks for your input!

What would be nice in breeding them earlier in the spring is 1) I won't be gone 2) my cousin will get a chick close to her birthday and 3) I won't have to wait as long for chicks! The only downside is if the birds take longer than expected to breed I would have chicks while I'm gone. If I decide to go this route I'll mark out a certain deadline. If they don't have eggs by a certain time, I'll remove the nestbox to ensure I won't be leaving a little family.

If I wait until after Europe I will have chicks when I'm out of school. Though I will be working and taking an internship with my horse trainer so I'll probably be gone as much as I would in school. The upside is that I won't have a deadline on when I need the birds to breed by. Obviously budgies are living creatures and not machines so it's not like you can set out an entire plan and expect it to flow seamlessly. However, I do have 4 months before I leave...

Honestly I'm torn. Everything could go according to plan and be amazing this spring. On the other hand things could take longer than expected and I'd have to remove the nest box. I need to be responsible to ensure this goes the best way possible. I think the more responsible way may be to wait until summer after I get back. This gives the birds nearly a year of rest and doesn't put me in a position where I have to rush things. I will talk to my aunt and cousin tomorrow to get a take on how they'd feel about waiting. Do you guys think this will be the better course of action? Or would I be fine to put the nest box in at beginning-mid March. They should take to he nest box sooner since it won't be new. That sets aside 1 full month for laying/incubating and 2 months to raise the chicks. If I put the nest box in earlier it will lay out more time for breeding but less for conditioning and rest. What's your vote?
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Okay all, I think I've made my decision. I'm not going to put the nest box in until I get back from Europe (early June). Since my summer schedule will still be more flexible than my school schedule, I could go home suddenly if need be. Also, as I said, I don't have a huge deadline looming above me. If I were to breed them this spring, I'd still be leaving shortly after the chicks are weaned. I'd want to make sure Herm and Iz are handling being without all the chicks and moving back in okay (I'll probably move Izzy into a separate cage when the youngest chick is about 3 1/2 weeks) I'd also want to be around in case they were very tired out from raising the clutch and caught ill or needed extra care. Plus, I'd like to keep a chick for myself so I'd want to make sure he/she would be eating well on his/her own.

So I still may post a few updates on here so the thread doesn't die before I get around to breeding.
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I look forward to hearing more!
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I think the plan sounds much better. The more relaxed you are about things, the better.
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I thought I'd better post on this again before it gets closed due to lack of activity Hermes and Izzy are doing well and are happy that spring is finally here (we had an unusually long winter!) In the next few weeks I will start conditioning them for breeding with none other than a supplement from cute little birdies aviary.

After going through all of the ones they offer for sale, I think I've settled on this one:
EasyBird - Super Breeder

I thought this one looked very good too but the one I linked above looks to have the best of everything in one single supplement. Though I did like that this one says that it boosts fertility and specifically talks about bringing the birds into condition. I'm not so worried about bringing them into condition, since you can do that through fairly simple means naturally. But I really like that it says that it boost the breeding response and fertility...I kind of feel like the failed attempt last summer may have been due to that.
ProBoost SuperMax- Conditioning And Breeding Supplement

I don't want to over-supplement my birds as it's not good for their health at all to give them too many vitamins and calcium. So just let me know if you feel strongly about one supplement or another

If all goes well I'll be putting the nest box in in about 2 months, so very exciting! My cousin talks to me all the time about how they're getting ready for the chick they're going to take and asks me all these questions. I told them that there's a chance Hermes and Izzy won't breed successfully this summer, but that I'd go and help them pick out a budgie if that's the case. I also told her I'd help her or her mom (my aunt) get set up with this forum as I feel like it's a very good resource to have!
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Katie, it's fine if a thread closes due to lack of activity that you want to be an on-going one, simply message one of the staff or use the contact the staff section of the forum and ask us to open it again for you.

It's exciting and it's great that you've prepared your cousin for the fact that it might not happen.
It is strange how budgies are. It just seems more instinctive to some birds than others.
Jay, one of my boys is very interested in having a female bond mate, preening her and feeding her and looking after her. he picked Sage when I just had four birds and they stayed together until October, when I let them all share and then he switched to Star (Sage was never into Jay as much as he was in to her). But even though he seems super interested in her, I've never seen him mate.
In fact, Jimmy is the only budgie I've ever seen mate at all out of my guys.
Obviously, I'm really glad as it would be awful splitting them all up, but it's just strange how they develop.

I hope you have good luck this time, anyway.
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I ended up ordering the "EasyBird Breeding Supplement" since it's the combination of multiple of Cute Little Birdies Aviary breeding supplements so I figured it'd be the best (and easiest )

It recommends giving 50-75 g of supplement per 1 kg of food and increasing it over 6 weeks so that when it's time to breed, they'll be getting 100g per kg. So today I was doing all of the math so that I'm giving the birds the correct amount of supplement and measuring out 1 week's worth of food so I can increase the amount of supplement per week (about 8 g/kg week). It ended up being around 0.235 g per week of supplement if I'm starting at 50 g per kg of food Really small amount! And then the back of the supplement said that 3 g is about 1.2 tsp, so I converted 0.235 g to tsp, which ended up being around 0.09 tsp. So had to do some rounding and really, really small tsp measurements.

I have 7 weeks until I put the nest box in, so the birds will be getting 100g supplement/kg food for the 2 weeks before I put the nest box in, so should be ready to go by the time they get the nest!

All 7 weeks of bags laid out (2 bags per week since they get 1 dish of seed and 1 dish of pellets a day). Felt good to get it all organized and prepared!


Yeah...It's about time to get more food from the store. I got through 1 whole week of measuring...I have 2 weeks worth of seed but only 1 for pellets



Ready to go! Starting writing in the breeding journal (with the feather on its cover)with all of the math and measurements so I can keep track of it all! And I have this lovely scale, so I can use it to measure out the food and weigh the chicks to make sure they're at a healthy weight.
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