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Old 04-21-2017, 09:05 AM
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I am having a problem with my two males fighting in a large cage with 2 other female budgies. This only started 2 wks ago with the spring weather and longer daylight. The males are young 10 months old compared to the 2 females,9 yrs and 2 yrs old. I introduced the boys into the cage last August and all was fine untll recently. On a Sunday morning I was out doing errands and my husband called me to return home quickly as there was blood all over the perches and Louie's foot was bloody! Both males had a peck mark on the head also. We stopped the bleeding(my styptic powder was too old so we used cornstarch)and put Louie and Perri(2 yr old female) into a smaller cage. I felt he needed the companionship and she is very gentle.I monitored Louie and he seemed ok and contacted our avian vet the next morning.We felt he would be ok by what I described his current behavior and he healed up several days later.
At this point I had no idea who the aggressor was and a wk later we put all of the birds back into the cage. Well, that lasted about a day and I saw Louie was the one who was the aggressive one. I put him into the single cage again(the cage is nearby the big one and i feel bad separating him from the flock). This past wk I tried again and since I was off for spring break (I am a teacher)this wk, I felt I could watch them more closely.Everything was fine up until yesterday and there was wrestling,pecking and tumbling by the 2 males! They are fighting over Whitey the 9 yr old female as she is an instigator as well.So now I just banished Louie back to the smaller cage again and wonder if hormonal craziness will pass? I am stressed out as I wanted to keep all of the 4 birds into the large flight cage. I cannot have them flying loose in this house as there are budgie hazards. Any ideas? My husband thought maybe getting 2 more birds this summer(when I have time to deal with that) would help?
I appreciate any insight on this. Thanks.

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Getting more birds is not going to sort the problem. It is hormonal, but generally those who have vast knowledge of budgies will tell you that once a budgie has shown violence to others (in making them bleed) then they should remain in their own cage.

I would take out the male and keep him in his own cage. Once his hormones have calmed you could try and house him with one of the females if you have seen not aggressive​ behaviour between the two but it would still be a risk.

It might be unlucky that you just have birds that don't get on very well.
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:29 PM
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Are either of the females in condition right now?
Males will sometimes fight one another if they are both vying for the affection of a particular female.

At this point, I'd recommend you remove the aggressive budgie and house him individually.

Additionally, it is not recommended to have two budgies of one gender in a cage with one budgie of another gender so the other male budgie should either be housed with one of the females or in a separate cage at this time as well.

For the well-being of your budgies, you are going to need to have three separate cages set-up for awhile.

Are you limiting the daylight hours of all the budgies to no more than 8 hours per day?
Either or both of your males may be in condition at this time.
The ceres will appear a more intense color than it does when the males are not in condition.
Limit the amount of protein in the diet and ensure you limit daylight hours to no more than 8 hours per day.

The last thing you need is to add more budgies to the mix.
Doing so may mean you'll end up with even more than three active cages.

There are no guarantees that particular budgies will get along and things don't always work out the way you hope they will.
It certainly isn't going to help to be stressed over the fact the four budgies you have are unable to share one cage.
This is a risk all budgie owners take and should be ready and willing to accept whenever they have multiple birds.

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Thank you for your helpful responses. As far as the males being in "condition" it is probable as they are now 9-10 months old and seem to be in that "teenager" stage. I also noticed the chasing around about two wks ago and not before when the days started to really get longer lightwise.I do not note a brighter blue cere than what they had have though ,but I am sure it could be. The females are questionable as Whitey is 9 yrs old and Perri is 2? I know Archie(the one remaining in the cage and was probably the one who beat up on Archie originally) is bonded to Whitey. In November, I had to put Whitey in a separate cage when she was ill and had to be put on antibiotics. He had been trying to mount her even when she was fluffed up! He pined for her but got along with the other 3. They all were glad to have her back once she recovered.
I appreciate the advice about limiting the light to 8 hrs a day but am not sure how to do that in a light filled living room and it being the main activity center in the household? I had a hen a few yrs back who was a chronic egg layer and had to do that but it was a real challenge but she was in a separate cage. I guess I feel sad to have to confine Louie the instigator to a smaller cage and keep him away from the actual flock of preening,playing and eating but I do not want him to be injured or to injure.
I have always appreciated the quick response all of you provide. I have been distracted with my teaching job and dealing with eldercare for my father so have not been on the forum as much but I always check back. Thanks.
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I have 7 budgies in my living room.
Limiting their daylight is quite easy.

I have both the Prevue Hendryx F040 and the Prevue Hendryx F050 cages.
I simply purchased the black P.H. cage covers for them. You could also use as lightweight cotton bedsheet, tablecloth or curtain in a dark color.

When it's time for the birds to go to beds, the cages get covered, top, three sides and 1/3 of the way down the front of the cage.
They all know it's time to settle down and go to sleep and quickly do so.
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The large flight cage I have is 30.5"X20"X40" and I have been using a large black sheet for their cover. I do keep an area that they can go down into the lower section in case they need to see. I also have a small night light that goes on at night for some of the night frights that occasionally occur. The birds are usually uncovered at 6 am when we get up for work and then they get covered at 8 pm. According to what you are saying about the 8 hour limit I would have to cover them at 3 pm which would be impossible for me as a teacher since I am still at work. I will have to do the best I can with the light situation. My past experience of a bird owner has been either a single bird or housing 2 birds at a time up until this past yr. I do have some smaller cages for the quarantine/vet/transport and also the slightly larger one Louie is in right now. How many birds do you have in your cages and did you start out with all of them at the same ages or genders? Thanks for all of your advice.
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I currently have 7 male budgies in an F050 cage in the living room.

In my bedroom, I have
2 female budgies in an F040
2 lovebirds in an F040
1 lovebird in an F040

Some of the male budgies may be separated into another cage before long though.
I'm deciding whether to get another F050 or another F040 for the living room.
This is because Soterion has decided to try to bully Solomon by chasing him around incessantly every morning and I don't want that behavior to continue.

Not all my budgies were housed together initially.
I had three male budgies: one in an F040 on his own and two in another F040.
Then I adopted four budgies that were being rehomed
*(two males and 1 females)

Initially I put my three males in one cage and the four rehomed budgies in another.
They all had out-of-cage time together, got along very well and chose on their own to move in together.
They still had access to both cages but after awhile they generally opted to all sleep together in one cage at night.

A month or two after that, I adopted two more males that were being rehomed and got an F050 cage.

Now I had three huge flight cages in my living room.
All the budgies were given out-of-cage time together and got along well.
Even with access to three cages, after awhile they all opted to sleep in the big F050 together.

That worked for awhile until the two girls came into condition. At that time, there were simply too many boys wanting to court the girls so the girls were relocated into an F040 of their own and moved upstairs to my bedroom.
(The female budgies are never allowed to interact out of the cage with the lovebirds, by the way)

The seven male budgies have done well together downstairs for the most part.
I'm home all of the time, so they are able to fly around and expend lots of energy throughout the day which helps tremendously.

All of the budgies are different ages and came from different clutches. I have records of their hatch-dates, parents, etc.
All nine of my budgies came from the same breeder even though some of them had different owners between being with the breeder and coming to live with me.

Sparky is the oldest and will be 6 in December.

Slider and Springer are the only two that are true brothers from the same clutch and they will be 2 years old in September.

The other 6 are varying ages between 3 and 5 years old currently.

[By the way, all three of my lovebirds were rehomed to me from other people as well.]

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Wow! I can understand your set up and I wish I had the time to supervise the budgie activities during the day. Just like running a classroom- ha!
Thank you for this information and I will hope I can figure out a plan.
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