Ollie and Stardust, Breeding Journal

[Marsheliah]

Alright, here we go! I've had them together for over a month. The nest box went in, but then Star went out of condition. A few days ago, she went back into breeding condition. Currently, her cere is a light shade of brown. The nest box is her favorite place to stay in all day. This morning, she wouldn't leave the nest box. So I peeked in, and guess what I saw? A little egg. My Mum and I agree it is adorable. I will be home all summer, so I will be monitoring progress closely. I am guessing the egg was laid early in the morning today. I am going to keep worded and picture updates on their progress. Already Star is very protective of her egg. Ollie has been going in and out of the nest box curiously. But, I suppose I should give a picture of the parents. I will get egg and cage set-up pictures in a day or two when I have a chance. The second egg is due Tuesday. This is their first time breeding, and Star is already incubating her first egg. I believe she will make a great mother.



The Proud Parents:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Ollie%20And%20Stardust%20the%20Love%20Bugs/AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.gif

Stardust, my female, is the blue budgie. :budge: I believe she is a cobalt blue. Correct me if I am wrong about that.

Ollie is the green budgie. He is tame but does like Star a lot more than me. Oh well, Lol. :budgie:



Could anybody tell me what kind of babies I possibly might get? I'm so excited. Curious about the chicks too. Well, guys, wish them luck!

[Babyluv12]

They look adorable and congratulations on the 1st egg. You are more brave then me....I've owned budgies my whole life and never bred them yet..I am not sure of the babies...but it should be very intresting...congrats again and keep the pics coming.

[Marsheliah]

Heh. I've had budgies since August, and my Mom had one when I was two. Ollie was my first, and Star my second. I got Star in early March. I wasn't expecting an egg, but now that I look at the evidence, it is obvious. Vicously attacked cuttlebone, large (You know), and never leaving the nest box. I should have known. But at least the nest box was in.

[Babyluv12]

Are you keeping all the babies?

[Marsheliah]

Most likely, unless I give one to my cousin. Otherwise, I will be keeping them all. I don't think I'd be able to part with them. I cry over selling my pigs, so, yeah, unless my cousing wants one, I'm keeping them.

[Bea]

Congrats on your first egg. :D

[Marsheliah]

I'm soo happy. Only one egg, and I'm already imagining chicks. Hehehe. My Mom is pretty happy too. And I didn't just jump into this. I have researched for months, and will be able to supply all the needs of chicks and mother. I can even make a brooder in seconds and am going to buy handfeeding formula, a small tub, the second I get a chance. Just in case. Summer break would enable me to hand feed if neccessary. Now, I just have to keep myself held together until a chick hatches. Lol.

[Marsheliah]

Oh, Yay! The next egg is due tomorrow! She is VERY protective of her egg. She won't even leave the nest box when I take a peek, she just goes to a corner and glares at me. Lol.

[Rosie]

Congrats on the egg - they're tiny arn't they?!

[Marsheliah]

Oh my! They are SO tiny! She layed her second egg ahead of schedule. I came home from school and peeked in, and there was another tiny egg! Soo cute!

[Marsheliah]

Alright. I managed to get some pictures of the two eggies. And one of the mum on her eggs. They aren't very good, I turned off the flash. And I also took pictures of the cage and nest box. The little pink sign is a teasing thing by my mom. It is just a joke. Lol. Here are the pics:




http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/1.gif
The Cage Setup


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/2.gif
The Nest Box, Complete With The Joke Sign. Not At All Serious. Lol.


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/3.gif
Eggies!


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/4.gif
Aren't They Adorable?


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/5.gif
This Is A Really Bad Picture, Even Though I Enhanced It. But Mom Is In This Photo.

[Marsheliah]

Hehehehehe! My Mom, being the joking person she is, put up that sign. Pretty funny, huh? It is just a joke. I would never sell or take the eggs away.

[star-24]

lol i like her sign, cute eggies :)

[BUUZBEE]

Awww congrats!!! I hope you get fertile ones :)

[Marsheliah]

I hope so too. It is her first clutch, and Ollie is a first time Dad. But, even if it doesn't work out, we can always try again after a good rest. I think I will wait a year if it does not work to let them try again. I do not want any stress on them. But, hopefully, at least one egg will hatch.

[Marsheliah]

Next egg is due tomorrow! My fingers are crossed!

[Babyluv12]

I guess because I have never bred my babies (budgies that is) I am all excited for you...I would keep them all too if I ever do..lol...Well...keep the updates coming!:) :) :)

[Marsheliah]

When I got Ollie in August of last year, all I wanted was a tame little budgie. I overspent on him and everything! Hehehe. But, I guess I caught budgie fever, as I call it. I love the little things to death! Stardust isn't tame, but she doesn't mind me. Now, she has learned. When I am about to peek in, I give the box a couple light taps with my finger before opening the top. She then hops out and stands on the perch right outside until the lid of the box goes back down. What a well behaved little girl!

[Marsheliah]

Ooooh, yay! I went up a few minutes ago and she had herself plastered over those eggs like the good mummy she is. I managed to shoo her away for a second, and I found that she had layed a third egg! Yay!

[Jessika]

Stardust looks like a violet factor to me, but it could just be the lighting in the shot.

Congrats on the eggs, I know exactly how you feel. Wait till the first one hatches.

[Marsheliah]

She very well may have a violet factor, because the picture had no flash and looks exactly like them. I also believe she may have an opaline factor. Heh. I'm awful with mutations and factors. Oh well. Personally, as long as the personality is okay, I don't mind what they look like. On the Eighth of June is the day there is a chance for chicks. Yay!

[Jessika]

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL467/8468343/15752748/246846372.jpg

This is a pic of my violet factor opaline girlie. If the back of Stardust looks like that, then she's opaline. I looked around but I couldn't find any pics of the back of your Stardust.

How are the eggies doing?

[Marsheliah]

Yup then, she is Opaline! I knew it earlier. Looked at her as she kept her eggies warm. I believe you have her twin there, Lol. She is being a very good Mom so far. Despite destroying one cuttlebone and working on her second. Heh. Thanks for pointing out her mutations. She is a beautiful darling. Thanks!

[Jessika]

Almost twins, except my Bpo Bpo still has her baby bars.

I'm glad that she's doing such a good job taking care of those eggs. Did you say that the hatch date is June 8th? That's my grandmother's birthday ><

[Marsheliah]

Well, yeah, besides baby bars. Hatch date is only approximate, I dunno which ones were layed when and I am not going to candle my eggs. Heh. I'm afraid I'd hurt them. That is eighteen days from the day she began incubation. The first day there is a possibility of a chick. I can't wait! I waited to let them breed so I would be home just in case anything happened. I have to get extra food, and hand feeding supplies before that date. Heh. And some bedding. I don't want splayed legs.

[Jessika]

You don't have to pick the ggs up to candle them. I found a little flashlight at a hardware store with a flexible neck that you can stick inside the nesting box to light up the eggs. But if you're scared to damage the eggs, you don't HAVE to candle them.

[Marsheliah]

I'm just going to let them be a surprise. Once, she was sitting on only two of the eggs and the other one was in the corner. I scooted it over (After washing my hands) and she sat right down on it. It is just I am afraid to take them out of the nest box. Oh well, surprises are fun!

[Babyluv12]

keep the updates coming...can't wait..when is the hatch date for # 1?

[Marsheliah]

The first day there is a possibility of a chick is June 8th. I'm dying from excitement. I can't wait!

[Babyluv12]

Me too.....

[Marsheliah]

Heh. Then I'll be dying until they are a week or two old. When they are that old, I get to begin handling them. So that they grow up tame. Yayness!

[Babyluv12]

I know....and you'll know their exact BDAY!!!!!!!

[Marsheliah]

Heh. That'll be going on my calendar within seconds. I am dying with excitement. The wait is going to seem like a year, most likely.

[Marsheliah]

The next egg is due tomorrow. Yay yay yay yay yay yay yay yay!

[Babyluv12]

I am so excited for you...watching the progress everyday- I have thinking about breeding my Jamy and Jazzy...we'll see....;)

[Marsheliah]

If you do, good luck! I am going to be checking on her at least every other hour tomorrow. Hehehe. I can't wait for the fourth egg!

[lil-J.t]

Hey are u taming the budgies.
email when you do
where are you located.

oh good luck on the egg!!!
luv mandy

[Marsheliah]

I am taming the babies. But I'm keeping them. Heh. I would never be able to sell or give them away.

[Babyluv12]

I would keep them all toO!!!!!!!!!!:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;)

[Marsheliah]

I must say this! It is absolutely amazing how small the eggs are. When I saw the egg, I just couldn't believe it. How could a budgie come from that? It is just such a miracle that a baby budgie can come from an egg so small, and grow to a normal sized budgie. I am just amazed by this.

[Marsheliah]

I'm trying to keep from checking on her every fifteen minutes. Fourth egg is due today. I can't wait!

[Marsheliah]

The fourth egg has arrived! :party3: :clown: :jumping: :party2: :clap: :happy4: :redxdance: :party10:

[KeetCrazy]

Congrats......... enjoy your journey

[Jessika]

Awesome awesome, congrats on fourth egg.

[MnA]

Congrats on the fourth egg. :D
I remember when it was so exciting to wait for them to hatch.

[Marsheliah]

For me, it's not just exciting. I'm dying here! Hehe. I want them to hatch! This is my first breeding experience, and I've done SO much research. I waited till summer for handfeeding emergencies, and EVERYTHING! I have to wait and see if she shows signs of a fifth egg tomorrow. Hehe.

[budgiebuddie]

:party10: :jumping1: :party3: :clap: :happy4: :party2: :clown: :party: :jumping: :b-day: :thumbsup: Must be really thrilling! Congrats on the 4th egg! I hope my pair works out too!

[A-n-M]

Congrats on the 4th egg!

[Marsheliah]

Hehe. I'm glad there are four. More chances that there will be chicks. I wonder if she'll lay a fifth. I'll note the cuttlebone condition and check it to see how badly she destroys it. Then I'll know. Hehehe.

[budgiebuddie]

WOW, I cant wait for my budgie breeding experience (if that make sense), from you it sounds thrilling! :party2:

[Marsheliah]

Well, for me it is. Heh. I was soo excited when the first egg arrived. Now to wait for a chick to hatch.

[Vanny]

Just found this thread, your Keet Parents are adorable! and i'm sure their offspring will be just as cute! Keep us updated!
-Vanny ;)

[Babyluv12]

HOW MUCH LONGER ALREADY!!! :baby: :clap: :confused1:

[Marsheliah]

Look at my siggy. I made a ticker for the hatch date. It is gonna take FOREVER. Oh well.

[Babyluv12]

13 days until hatch date!! This sucks! I know...patience...but 13days is a LONG time..lol

[Marsheliah]

I KNOW! Too long! Urgh! Oh well, it'll be well worth the wait.

[Vanny]

Lol, REALLY worth the wait if you ask me! lol :D

[Marsheliah]

Thanks for the encouragement! I came home and checked on her, and now she has FIVE eggs!

[Jessika]

Congrats! That's great news. :D

[Vanny]

Yay!! :D :D :D

[Babyluv12]

How's everything coming along?

[Marsheliah]

Good! She's sitting tight on all five and isn't laying any more. I don't think so, anyways.

[Babyluv12]

I hope not -5 is alot..to me anyway..lol. I can't believe it's only 9 more days...

[Marsheliah]

Wow. I can't either. It is, though, from the first day she began incubation. Two eggs can hatch that day. She's also using the concave now, I guess she needs it with five. Hehe.

[Jessika]

Congrats! :) Won't be much longer now.

[Rosie]

Oh congrats, I bet your excited! :D

[budgiebuddie]

i cant wait for the little bubs! ;)

and can you post us some pics i would love to see the eggs

[Marsheliah]

I'll try to get pics of the five eggies. Due to hatch this Friday! -squeal-

[Babyluv12]

can't wait! Wish u and your babies the best!

[Marsheliah]

Thankies! I've kinda got a plan for one bub. I want to have at least one budgie that is a good friend to me. So, I'm kinda thinking of pulling one bub for handfeeding at two or three weeks. When the going would be better. But I'll see when the eggs hatch. I am really considering pulling just ONE bub to handfeed, and then keeping them, like, in our family room or something where he would be the only budgie. Then teach the little one to wear a Flight Suit, and take them with me places! Hehe. I am getting ahead of myself.

[Babyluv12]

LoL! You're funny...I started laughing when I read your post. A flight suit?lol -He'll look like SUPER BUDGIE...lol..I'm just kidding really. I just never take my budgies out with me. My tiel is a diffrent story though. I just want to see them hatch healthy and then you can come up with more ideas! lol

[Marsheliah]

Hehe. I'm pretty excited. My Father is actually trying to get me to sell the babies. Before they hatch! I'm seriously about to clobber him right now. (Joking! Hehe.) He will learn that I will never sell them. Seriously. Everytime we go to friends and family, he is like 'Hey, do you want a baby parakeet?'. Lol. Seriously, if he does that one more time, I just might clobber him. Hehe. Now, I think he understands that any bubs are mine. Still, rather annoying. Hehe. Just had to vent this. Lol. She's just sitting tight on her little eggs, and sometimes I hear her turning them.

[Babyluv12]

4 more days to go...that's funny that he's trying to offer them to people..lol..I would keep them all too/

[Tiki<3Polly]

If you got star in early march this year, then isnt she too young to breed?

[Marsheliah]

No, she isn't. Not too young. She was at least an when I got her. Her eyes had a large white iris around it. She was a complete adult. And it has been a while since I got her. So yes, she is old enough. I know enough about budgies to judge their approximate age.

[Marsheliah]

I'm about to die from excitement. Only two days until hatch date for the first two eggies, and then a few days for the rest! *crosses fingers*

[A-n-M]

The suspense! :p
Goodluck. Hope things go well.

[Babyluv12]

Goodluck!!!!! 2more days?

[Jessika]

Tomorrow's the big day? Congrats.

[Marsheliah]

*gulps* Even if only one egg hatches, I'd still be happy. I really hope one does.

[Tiki<3Polly]

Ok , I was just making sure.
Good luck!

[Marsheliah]

Hehehe. I don't mind answering questions, it is good. I asked myself many questions before I let them have a nest box. I am very confident that they are both of correct age. And that they will be fine. It is good to ask though. It makes both you and me feel better. Tomorrow is the big day!

[Babyluv12]

Patiently waiting...:jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping: :jumping:

[Marsheliah]

Hehehe. I'm having trouble with the patience part. Also, if you ever breed, I'll be watching your's antiously. Hehe. If only one hatches, I'd be happy. Also, if they seem to be trying for a second clutch, I will be letting them. But no more. After this, it may be a few years before I breed again.

[Babyluv12]

Hehehe. I'm having trouble with the patience part. Also, if you ever breed, I'll be watching your's antiously. Hehe. If only one hatches, I'd be happy. Also, if they seem to be trying for a second clutch, I will be letting them. But no more. After this, it may be a few years before I breed again.

A SECOND ONE:S :S :eek: :S :S I wouldn't. It would really drain her Marsheliah..think about it good before you decide...are they acting any different now that it's super close to the date? Have you tried candeling? I'm so anxious. I am really cosidering breeding but I am still trying to iron out some things. It's much easier for you since you only have the two. Mine are super attached to eachother so it was sooo hard! I tried putting their cage next to the other ones and they went nuts -I moved them to the other room and Jamy and Jazzy (the couple) calmed down but the other ones were going NUTS since Jazzy is the oldest one and it kind of the boss...Sorry..talking to much- back to you- I hope you have some babies coming- if not its still a learning experience! I'm always reading ur thread!lol

[Tiki<3Polly]

good luck! I too am filled with anticipaton! not only for your eggs, but because i am starting to breed tiki and baby again!

[Marsheliah]

I'm not sure. It just depends what happens. And if nothing turns out, there is also always another year. Also, good luck to you Tiki<3Polly, and also good luck figuring out your budgie problems Babyluv12. Hehe. Today is the day, and I've got my fingers crossed.

[Tiki<3Polly]

haha i have my fingers crossed for you!

[Marsheliah]

Gulp. I will be letting them go a week from the day the last egg was laid, all of them. Then I will take the 'Duds' out. If none hatch, well, I tried. And they get another chance sometime.

[Babyluv12]

Anything yet? :S

[Marsheliah]

Not yet. :'(

[Babyluv12]

awww..it's ok Marsheliah...we'll see ok...maybe its a late budgie?

[Marsheliah]

There's three eggs left, and I will be leaving them a week after the last one laid's hatch date. Just in case late hatchers. I know at least one is a dud, it rattles. And one weighs nothing at all, like it is just a shell. There are a couple that seem like they are fertile, but I dunno. If none hatch, let them rest and try again some other time. No biggie, but chicks would be nice. Even one.

[Babyluv12]

I would give them about a week too but how did you go from 4 to 3? and what do u mean one "rattles"? Like there is liquid or a chick????? Did you write the #s on the eggs to know which is which? Maybe those are the 1st two? I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you..is she acting any diffrent???

[Marsheliah]

If an egg rattles, it means it is infertile. Something went wrong. And what I mean is, even if there are two I know are infertile, there are still three with a chance. I didn't write numbers on the eggs either. She isn't acting any different.

[Babyluv12]

ohhh...I don't really know what to say...we'll have to wait it out some more than...

[Marsheliah]

Nothin yet. :crying: :crying2: :( :ohno: :upset: :sad3:

[Babyluv12]

I'm sorry.................

[Tiki<3Polly]

by "rattles" , do u mean that you shook the egg? because if you did that, and especially with all the eggs then you killed the babies!

[Babyluv12]

by "rattles" , do u mean that you shook the egg? because if you did that, and especially with all the eggs then you killed the babies!

That's true- but I'm sure Marsheliah didn't acctually shake the egg..right?

[Marsheliah]

I did not shake the egg. I know that kills them. I picked it up and I heard a small rattle from one or two of the eggs. Just from picking it up.

[Babyluv12]

Is she still sitting on them???

[Marsheliah]

Yes, still sitting. I'll let her sit on them until she either quits or a week from the hatch date of the last egg laid. There are two eggs that I think MIGHT be fertile. I dunno. But those two have a pinkish/tan color to them, and the other three are stark white and sorta rattle when I pick them up. I've got my fingers crossed.

[Babyluv12]

I don't want to get your hopes up but maybe the last two are fertile..?

[Marsheliah]

That's what I'm hoping for. If not, oh well. I'll let them try again some other time. It was just their first try. It's not like I NEED to have them breed right now. And anyways, she sat on them right good.

[Babyluv12]

we'll have to wait and see...;)

[Marsheliah]

*gulps and shakes* One of them was fertile!!!!!!!!! I woke up this morning and I heard this tiny 'fweep fweep' coming from the budgie cage. And I knew it couldn't be one of the adults. So I went over, knocked on the nest box as usual, and opened the top. THERE WAS A TINY ITTY BITTY BUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D :) :party3: :spin: :jumping1: :wave1: :baby: :loveeyes: :party: :clown: :party2: :happy4: :clap: :redxdance: :thumbsup: :b-day: :jumping: :party10: :budge: :budgie:

[Babyluv12]

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http://heathersanimations.com/smilies/269.gifYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST HATCHLING!!! I AM SOOO HAPPY FOR YOU!!! PIC PLEASE???!!! http://heathersanimations.com/smilies/269.gif
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PS- the only graphics with eggs I could find where chickens..sorry..lol

[Marsheliah]

I'm pretty happy right now. Hehehe.

[Marsheliah]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/06_11_3.jpg

Here's a pic of the bub.

[Babyluv12]

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[Marsheliah]

Hehehe. I'm gonna check on it again. Hasn't been fed yet, but Mommy is hearing it's cries.

[Babyluv12]

Yea- just make sure it gets some food...ohh...I feel like Im there!

[Marsheliah]

I'm a bit worried. I'm thinking of removing the other eggs for a few minutes (Holding them in my hands to keep them warm) and make sure she pays attention to the chick. I'm not sure. Still has the little egg tooth thingy on it's beak.

[Babyluv12]

I think removing the eggs would just throw her off course- she's a first time mommy so give her a little more time..do u have formula and syringes ??? what do u mean by egg tooth thingie????

[Marsheliah]

No, but my Mum is on call to make a quick run to the city to pick some up. And this little one would be having to be fed, drop by drop on a toothpick.

I think I'm gonna give her another hour or so. If the little one's crop is still empty, get some formula and give it a feeding to allow it the strength to cry.

[Babyluv12]

I think I'm gonna give her another hour or so. If the little one's crop is still empty, get some formula and give it a feeding to allow it the strength to cry.

Good idea-that should be fine. What is that "egg tooth thingie" you said is on his beak? Is it restricting air flow?

[Marsheliah]

No. Just on top of it's beak, not the cere, a small whitish bump. Probably to make the first crack in the egg. And my Mum is calling my Aunt, who works in the city, to see if she can pick up some formula on the way home and we can zip over to get it. I would lose sleep for days if it meant saving the little one. Wish me luck that we get it soon and the baby is okay. My Mum wouldn't let me get it unless there was a problem. Now I am getting the formula. Just keep your fingers crossed for us, okay? I'm awful nervous, but like I said, whatever I must do I will do.

[Babyluv12]

You're doing fine. (says the non breeder over here...lol) Atleast you can get the formula now. It's just very important that their crops stay full..

[Marsheliah]

I know. I'm just rather nervous and scared. Star doesn't seem to understand that the chick needs food, just sits on all the eggs and the chick without feeding it. I just hope it makes it. I'm gonna go get something to eat so I can calm down. I've contemplated handfeeding, but I wanted to pull them at around two-three weeks. Not on the first day. Just wish us luck. I'll keep you updated.

[Babyluv12]

Sometimes things don't work out as planned- you're home so you can feed them if she doesn't get it...Believe me I wish you the best of luck! Keep me updated so I can learn too...

[Marsheliah]

I'm glad I only let them breed when the eggs would hatch in summer vacation. Monitoring. I'm gonna check on her again. Maybe bub will have been fed now.

[Marsheliah]

Not fed. But at least she is keeping it warm.

[Babyluv12]

I'm glad I only let them breed when the eggs would hatch in summer vacation.

Yea- I agree- I wish I could do that... I work 8hrs a day (12 today) so this was the main reason I didn't...amongst others.. well.. I hope she fed him something, if not then it's time to feed him..if he hatched this morning it's too long for him to go without food...

:( ....................

[Babyluv12]

Here is some info I found...

Proper Care of the Chicks

If you need to handle the eggs, be sure to completely clean your hands with soap and water before handling. Bacteria from your hands can be absorbed through the shell which can harm the baby.
When the youngest chick hatches the oldest chick will be much bigger than it, especially with large clutches of more than 5 eggs. When you check the nest box make sure the youngest chicks are not getting trampled and are getting fed (you will see food in their crops). If you notice any problems, you can try fostering the youngest chicks to another pair with similarly aged chicks. You may also try fostering newly hatched chicks to a pair with eggs. Most of the time a fostered chick is accepted. Check often on a fostered chick to make sure. If you see food in the baby's crop, the pair has accepted him. If the clutch is very large, with more than 6 eggs, you may want to foster the 7th and on chicks automatically.
When the babies start getting feathered, it will be about time to start cleaning the nest box. If you notice a large build-up of soiled shavings and the babies tend to be getting a lot of droppings stuck to their feet, start changing the bedding about once a week, or as needed. Remove the babies into a large bowl lined with a towel and scoop out the soiled bedding. Scrape the wood insert as needed and replace with fresh bedding. You may need to block the entrance to the nest box while you do this to prevent the hen from coming into the box.
Check the babies everyday for fixable developmental problems.
Check under the top mandible (beak) for a build up of food, which can cause an undershot beak. If you notice food stuck under the top mandible, remove gently and carefully with a toothpick.
Make sure the chick isn't developing splayed legs. If this is happening, try adding extra pine shavings. If a young baby develops splayed legs, the problem can be corrected because their bones are still forming. You will have to tie the legs close together to facilitate proper development. See the article Splayed Legs by Wanda Barras for more detailed information.
When the chicks start coming out of the nest, provide a shallow dish of food on the bottom of the cage to facilitate weaning.
You can remove a 6 week old weaned chick from its parents in the breeding cage. It should be put in a large cage reserved for young birds or in the flight cage. Provide lots of food, available in different places, especially in a dish on the bottom of the cage. Keep a close eye on newly removed chicks to make sure they are eating. Check their crops to make sure they are full before covering their cage at night.

[Babyluv12]

Sorry- wrong one- here is the one I meant to add- I still left the other one...

HAND-FEEDING IMPLEMENTS: METHOD AND TECHNIQUE
By

Wanda Barras



PREPARATION FOR HAND-FEEDING

Preparing for your first hand-feeding undertaking is a time filled with choices, particularly choosing a favored method of feeding. A variety of useful utensils which can either be purchased or handmade are readily available to aviculturists.

Syringes, tubes, pipettes and spoons are some of the most common tools used by aviculturists. Some hand-feeders are known to use turkey basters, squeeze bottles, tiny paint brushes and even paper or styrofoam cups, bent to form a spout. Whether you favor pipettes, pre-bent spoons, syringes or feed tubes is strictly a personal decision. The important thing is to select a technique which is most comfortable to you and the chicks you will be hand-feeding. Anyone who hand-feeds has a preferred method of feeding babies. What works for one may not work for another. Listen to and learn from experienced hand-feeders.

Have on hand an accurate diagram of avian anatomy and become familiar with the general location of a bird’s major internal organs and physiology. Read about the various procedures and be aware of tools available. You are not limited to one method or tool. Have options available, as circumstance may dictate an alternate choice of appliance or a technique more beneficial to the situation

HAND-FEEDING IMPLEMENTS

The feeding apparatus and procedure chosen should be appropriate to the chick’s condition, age, size and species. A feeding tool as small as an eye dropper or as large as a 100cc syringe may be your feeding device of choice. A small artist’s paintbrush can be handy for feeding newly hatched canary or finch chicks, while a 10cc syringe with 6" of latex tubing is ideal for feeding young, 3-week-old cockatiels. Bent spoons work well when hand-feeding Lories, who feed naturally by lapping up their food. Neonates or ill chicks with little or no feeding response would require tube or "gavage’ feeding. The circumstances and choices are endless. Experiment. Find what works best for you and the babies you are feeding.

PERSONAL FAVORITE

My feeding utensil of choice is the syringe, which is available in various sizes ranging from ½cc to 100cc’s. There is even a 12cc curved-tip syringe on the market. A syringe is easy to use, fast and sanitary. A known volume of food may be administered effectively and efficiently. Syringe sizes should increase as birds grow.. Large-tipped ‘catheter’ syringes (available in sizes of 12cc, 35cc, 60cc and 100cc capacities) are useful for feeding older chicks of the larger species such as Greys, Amazons, Cockatoos and Macaws. These syringes make it possible to feed a thick formula more efficiently. The new styles of syringes available today are long-lasting and easily disinfected. These sturdy syringes are safe, economical and easier to use than the old fashioned Monoject syringes. Some hand-feeders use syringes to shoot food into the crop of babies. The tip of the syringe is placed on the left side of the bird’s mouth, when a feeding response is initiated, the food is quickly shot toward the back of the head. For experienced feeders, this procedure proves to be relatively safe, but does require some practice. Ideally, the feeding tools should be changed or disinfected between feeding each baby. Realistically, change or disinfect when moving between babies from different clutches or those which are not being reared in the same brooder.

FROM DAY ONE

Syringes can also be used to slowly dribble formula into the mouth of a bird with successful results. I prefer this method for feeding babies under 1 week, especially those under 3 days. For day-ones, I use a tiny 1cc or 1ml ‘tuberculin’ syringe. I feed from 0.1cc to 0.6cc’s for the first feeding depending on the size and species of the neonate. The syringe is held in the feeder’s right hand while gently supporting the baby with the left hand. The baby faces the hand-feeder: a left handed feeder faces the baby away from him. The 1cc syringe allows you to feed very small amounts safely without drowning tiny hatchlings. Gently support the neonate and place the tip of the tiny syringe on the corner of the left side of the baby’s beak. Touching the beak of a healthy chick will initiate a feeding response. Using slight pressure on the syringe, dribble tiny amounts of very liquid formula into the chick’s beak as he initiates a feeding response. You will be feeding small amounts often..



NEVER force a feeding tube or feeding needle. The apparatus should slide easily into the crop.

GAVAGE FEEDING

After a few days, I begin to add soft latex tubing of appropriate size to the end of progressively larger syringes as the baby grows. I prefer the gavage method, because I find it practical, extremely safe, time saving and a more natural method of providing nutrition. Extreme caution should be practiced whenever using a stainless steel feeding needle. Gavage needles should be utilized with discretion. Needles are recommended for administering medications and nutrients to ill birds, especially mature parrots. As the pumping (feeding) movements of Neonates, under 1-week-old are less violent, they can be fed successfully using a feeding needle. I suggest using soft latex tubing as the better choice for basic hand-feeding.

After a few days, I begin to add soft latex tubing of appropriate size to the end of progressively larger syringes as the baby grows. I prefer the gavage method, because I find it practical, extremely safe, time saving and a more natural method of providing nutrition. Extreme caution should be practiced whenever using a stainless steel feeding needle. Gavage needles should be utilized with discretion. Needles are recommended for administering medications and nutrients to ill birds, especially mature parrots. As the pumping (feeding) movements of Neonates, under 1-week-old are less violent, they can be fed successfully using a feeding needle. I suggest using soft latex tubing as the better choice for basic hand-feeding.

EASY TO LEARN, BUT TAKE CARE!

Gavage or tube feeding is a relatively easy technique to learn. The procedure is very simple and is readily learned if demonstrated by an experienced breeder or veterinarian. Gavage feeding can be a dangerous procedure if used improperly, but when mastered, the technique is not difficult to perform. There is a booklet available by

T. J. Lafeber, Proper Technique for Passing a Feeding Tube, which describes the gavage technique in detail, with anatomical drawings and charts. Flexible latex tubing of approximately 6" or so in length (commercially available in various sizes: tiny Parakeet, Cockatiel, Amazon and Macaw) attached to the end of a syringe enables the precise feeding of a known volume directly into the crop, thus eliminating aspiration. Tubing should be long enough to reach from the bottom of the crop, to about ½" outside the mouth. Three things to keep in mind when gavage feeding are:

1) Due to the esophagus’ ability to stretch, always choose the larger feeding tube over the smaller. There is less chance of entering the Trachea (windpipe) when using a larger tube. Tube size should increase with age..

2) The wall of the esophagus and crop is extremely thin and subject to puncture. never force a feeding tube or feeding needle. The apparatus should slide easily into the crop.

The curve in the bend of the neck is easily punctured. Gently tilt baby’s head up while rotating soft tubing down the esophagus. never force! Crops should be gently filled to a plump, but not tight stage. It is better to feed a little less than too much. This applies to any method of feeding.
BULBS AND PIPETTES

Bulb syringes are commonly used for hand-feeding large-species babies. This specialty syringe consists of a large rubber bulb, which fits onto a wide syringe body. The bulb acts as a plunger, which sucks formula up and expels it out when pressure is applied. The usual size is a 60cc capacity. When utilizing the bulb as a storage reservoir, the 60cc size bulb syringe is able to hold up to 140cc’s of formula. This size is handy for feeding hungry Macaw babies. The shooting technique described earlier is most often used. The tip of the syringe is placed on the left side of the bird’s mouth. When a feeding response is initiated, the food is quickly shot into the bird’s right side, toward the back of the head, down the esophagus, into the crop. I prefer a lessviolent method of feeding.

Plastic pipettes which come in various sizes are used by a large number of breeders. Pipettes hold only a few cc’s or ml’s of formula and require repeated fillings to feed large babies. The largest pipette capacity is approximately 7ml to 10ml. Pipettes work similarly to a bulb syringe and can be used to dribble or shoot formula into the baby’s beak. Formula is sucked up, then expelled by pinching the small bulb end. This tool can be especially handy when feeding tiny babies. Because they are difficult to disinfect, pipettes should be purchased in large quantities and disposed of after each use.

Spoon feeding is the method most chosen by beginners because it is user-friendly. Almost anyone can get the hang of spoon feeding. Spoon feeding is very slow, but is more personal. This is a good choice for someone feeding one or just a few babies. This method is slower and less efficient, especially if feeding numerous chicks. The normal procedure is to use a spoon with edges bent inward to hold formula. Initiate a feeding response and feed the formula one spoonful at a time, until the baby is satisfied. The baby’s feeding movements will pump the spoon and keep food moving toward the tip. This technique can prove to be messy, but it does seem to simulate the natural feeding of parent birds.



SPOON-FED ARE GENTLER BIRDS? NOT REALLY!

Through my 10 years of handfeeding, trying different methods and observing other hand-feeders, I have not noticed any behavioral differences associated with hand-feeding method or technique. Gavage babies are just as gentle and wean just as quickly as spoon fed. What makes the difference is the time spent socializing and touching babies. Remember, a feeding instrument is only a tool to be used to get nutrition into a chick. A baby’s emotional, physical and psychological needs must also be met. No tool or technique is the absolute best. What suits one person or one species may not be the best for another. Different species may require different feeding methods or utensils. Be flexible and open-minded, but do not change a successful feeding routine for the sake of experimentation. If you must experiment, do so wisely and judiciously.

HAND-REARING FORMULA

My hand-feeding formula of choice is Kaytee Exact. I find it easy to use and is accepted by most species from hatch through weaning. I especially recommend Exact for those feeding cockatiels, lovebirds and quakers. I DO NOT recommend using homemade formulas. The potential for bacterial contamination in homemade formulas is considerably higher then in commercial formulas. Commercial, ready-to-use formulas are much safer to use then homemade formulas. The extrusion process used in preparing hand-feeding diets kills bacteria. Most ready-made, commercial formulas used properly will produce healthy chicks. It is essential that you read and follow the instructions provided with ready-made formulas. Understanding and properly following the directions can mean the difference between success and failure. Always discard unused formula. Never use a microwave to heat formula. Always use a thermometer to check temperature. It is best to use sterile water, hot filtered tap water or hot bottled water. Do not add fatty substances (oils, peanut butter, etc.) to comercial hand-feeding formulas. These diets are complete for modt species and supplements may cause fatal problems such as fatty liver disease.

Although not absolutely necessary, weight data is helpful to monitor the chicks progress. A healthy chick should gain weight every single day until he approaches weaning. To accurately check a chick’s weight he should be weighed using a high quality gram scale. Weigh at the same time every morning, on a empty crop. Keep accurate records of weights and observations. This data may be helpful in future studies. Growth and development can be assessed visually. If you are an inexperienced hand-feeder this can be tricky. Eventually you will be able to sense if something is just not right with a baby. Until you acquire this 'gift' it is better to purchase a good gram scale and compare your data to established weight charts. Monitoring weight gain and loss is the best way to identify a problem before it becomes visually obvious.

TROUBLESHOOTING POOR WEIGHT GAIN
If problems are noted, consider:

· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

If problems are noted, consider:

· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

If problems are noted, consider:
· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

If problems are noted, consider:
· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

If problems are noted, consider:
· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

If problems are noted, consider:
· Formula too thin and contains too much liquid

· Formula is cut with additives such as baby foods, cereals, or juices. These additions may mess up the formula’s nutritional balance.

· Improper feeding schedule

· Insufficient amount is fed at each feeding

· Improper brooding or formula temperature

· Digestive disorder that could be disease related

In the middle of the first week I convert from syringe feeding to tube feeding. I use small gauge latex tubing. This method, if performed properly, is the most efficient and makes it less likely for accidental aspiration to occur. If you are more comfortable using a syringe or pipette, feel free to continue—this is a personal choice. The size of the feeding implement should change as formula thickens and the chick grows. Do not overfeed, as this may result in crop overfill, regurgitation and possible aspiration which can cause medical problems or death. Adjust feeding utensils and methods accordingly. Ideally, a separate syringe or feeding utensil should be used for each chick or for each clutch. This precaution can possibly prevent the spread of disease.

After the first critical week the baby’s crop will be able to hold enough food to sustain him for several hours. At two weeks he should be fed about four to five times a day. At three weeks, three to four times a day. (These are approximates, amount may vary with different species and formulas.) Allowing the crop to become completely empty between feedings is recommended, but not absolutely necessary. Waiting for an empty crop keeps old formula from remaining in the crop for extended periods. Old formula may breed bacteria and also lead to fungal related medical problems.

Below are the approximate crop capacity ranges for some popular species. These numbers are not to be interpreted as the rule. Remember all babies are individuals, environmental factors may vary, proper adjustments should be made. These figures are valid for babies over two weeks old.

There is a great deal of individuality among birds—even between clutch mates. Consequently, what works for one breeder may not be successful for another. The ultimate success in hand-rearing lies in following these basic hand-feeding practices with determination, dedication and a willingness to learn. Experience comes with time and hard work.

[Marsheliah]

Thanks. I'm just kinda nervous. But I'm glad to do it if it means saving the babe. I read that, and it made me a bit more confident.

[Jessika]

My bub wasn't fed for 12 hours, they can feed off of something in the egg for up to 24 hours... keep an eye on him, he'll be fed soon.

[Marsheliah]

I'm keeping an eye on him. But I am having the formula soon, and I'll feel better then.

[Jessika]

Just wait... seriously. What time was he hatched? Handfeeding is a big responsibility, you may as well make sure that you have to. The bub will be fine, the mom will probably start feeding tonight... just watch. Change the food and water, add a treat, anything that will stimulate the parents to eat... Is the bub squeaking? If he's not, feed him a little bit of formula to stimulate the squeaking and then put him back in and see if she feeds him.

[Marsheliah]

That's what I'm doing. Will be getting formula very soon now.

[Marsheliah]

I gave him the formula. He took to it great. The second I dropped a tiny amount on his beak, he started wiggling and opening his beak for more. Once his crop was about three fourths full, I put him back in the nest box. He seemed better. Now he just has to make the night.

[Babyluv12]

ohhhh..good..I was getting worried. Hows the mommy and daddy doing?

[Marsheliah]

They are chirping away as usual. She is sitting on the eggs and the bub right now, keeping him warm. At least she does that much. He seemed like he was stronger the second I gave him a bit. At the reccomended temperature, his crop almost full but not quite. All his little limbs were wiggling, it was adorable! He peeped a bit when I picked him up. He's so tiny! (Calling the bub a He 'cause I can't call the baby an it) Just pray and cross your fingers that he pulls through.

[Babyluv12]

I will. Just make sure he stays fed- Hopefully she will get the hang of it and start doing it herself..is the daddy feeding her??? What kind of formula did u end up getting?

[Marsheliah]

I am. The food is hull blown often. I'm gonna probably be up tonight. Daddy feeds her. And I got the kind most things I have found recomended. Kaytee Exact Handfeeding Formula. This size:

Kaytee Exact Handfeeding Formula Eighteen Ounce Jar (http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444177 6635&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302047586&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302023691&bmUID=1181611061643&itemNo=0&Ntt=hand+feeding+formula&In=All&previousText=hand+feeding+formula&N=2)

[Marsheliah]

The other fertile egg is due to hatch tomorrow or the day after.

[Jessika]

Was the bub peeping before you fed him? If not, is he peeping now? If he wasn't peeping, then he wasn't letting the mom know that it was time to feed him. Hopefully now he'll peep and she'll feed him. Please let us know how he does.

[Marsheliah]

He was rather too weak to peep. When I picked him up, he half-heartedly tried to peep then took the feed like a piglet. If he's crying at night for a while and mummy doesn't feed him, I'll do another feeding. I'll be updating. If it comes to it, I'll take him on for a handfeeding baby. But I hope it doesn't come to that.

[Marsheliah]

He's peeping loudly at this very moment. Wants mummy to feed him. If mum doesn't feed soon, I'll feed him again.

[Marsheliah]

He stopped peeping, so I took a peek inside. She fed him!!!!!!! I'm sooo happy. She also didn't want to move so I could see. Hehehe. But he was fed by her. His crop was full of crop milk, fed by mummy, I suppose. (Daddy was in there too. They were both in there for some time.)

:party3: :cool-smiley-025: :budge: ;) :cool: :) :p :D :party10: :clap: :happy4: :party2: :clown: :party: :jumping: :b-day: :cool1: :P :thumbsup: :twothumbs: :lockd: :jumping1: :spin: :budgie: :redxdance:

[Babyluv12]

http://heathersanimations.com/messages/waytogo.gif Aww..FINNALLY! I told you to give her some time...she's a first time mommy! I am getting ready to go home from work! I can't wait- will try to come back on later to check on the progress- hopefully we'll have a bub # 2? Goodluck with #1 if I can't come back till tommorrow-
http://heathersanimations.com/messages/gnight.gif
AND
http://heathersanimations.com/messages/godbless.gif

[Jessika]

It was the peeping, he wasn't peeping. I'm glad she's feeding him. Congrats :)

[Tiki<3Polly]

I am super happy for you Marsheliah! This must be a great experiance for you! I hope bub #2 hatches ! Thankfully mummy fed bub #1 and that made me so much happier to know that you don't have to tire yourself out getting up every other hour! You helped me because I never knew that petsmart sold handfeeding formula, untill now, so before Baby lays her eggs and then before they hatch I am gonna get some. I also have like 50 syringes so that I am thankfull of. Thank you and good luck!

[Marsheliah]

Glad to help out! And I'm also very thankful. I like my sleep. Hehehe. It feels good to have so many people being supportive and lending advice. No new bubs yet, but I suspect one tomorrow. Maybe even today. Breeding so far has been a great experience for me. I love my budgies, and all my Fids. I can't wait until this bub is a little older and bigger, so I can start Co-Parenting. That is what I planned to do. So far, I checked on the baby, and he made it throught the night fed and strong.

[Babyluv12]

Great to hear- the 1st night is what I would worry about...no more pics??????????

[Marsheliah]

I promise to get pics if he gets a bit bigger. He doesn't look any different now, Lol. Or if the other egg I think is fertile hatches. I wonder if I'll be calling the little one 'Chickie' from now on. I've been calling him that for some reason. Not ver creative, I'll say that much. Lol. Mum is keeping him fed. I checked on him earlier, and his crop was full. She figured it out.

[Babyluv12]

Good! ;) :) :p

[Marsheliah]

Now let's see if possibly fertile egg number two hatches tomorrow. =)

[Babyluv12]

How far apart were the eggs layed?

[Marsheliah]

Kind of an odd schedule. First one laid, then the next one the next day. Then every other day, I believe.

[Babyluv12]

Ok- too bad you didn't get to pencil mark the eggs to know which is which- we'll have to just wait...lol

[Marsheliah]

Yeah, Lol. I was too excited to think about it.

[Babyluv12]

I know- it's ok..whatever happens happens. I'm just glad for chick #1.

[Marsheliah]

Boy. He seems to be getting fat. I picked him up earlier for a mandible check, to make sure no build up. Also checked his legs and feet, no dirt. He peeped until Mommy came back. Then he quieted down. He had a full crop, just wanted Mom. Lol.

[pal0m1n0]

Sometimes you just have to go with what your gut tells you. Congrats on the baby and getting it to peep. I wonder how long you can safely wait for a chick to be fed. I called my first Chiclet. :) I don't think a second clutch would be as bad as all that if the adults are in good shape and if she only has a few chicks. Mine started a second clutch before the babies left the nest. In the end I had to remove the babies from the first clutch myself. She was quite happy to have them all with her. :)

[Marsheliah]

I may let her if she seems determined to have one. There is only one other fertile egg. I finally candled the remaining eggs. Used a booklight in the nest box. Two chicks is a light load, and she's a great mother. I'll just see how she wants to act. The first chick went about eleven hours without a feeding, I fed him the second I go formula, then mum fed him when he was hungry next. It worked out just fine. He's happy and healthy now. Quite a loud little guy. Hehe. She is a very happy Mommy, and is very good about letting me see the baby. I am very proud of her. Such a good mother. The funny thing is, she is bigger than Ollie. Wonder which side the baby will take after?

[pal0m1n0]

I can't remember which is the recessive gene, large or small.

[Marsheliah]

Oh well, really I don't care. To me, personality is what counts. And I plan to Co-Parent so they grow up tame and liking people.

[Babyluv12]

Anything new? I wish I was there to help...(with looking..lol)

[Babyluv12]

Hey again- looked up some info on what ur baby might look like once the feathers grown in.
First I wanted to tell you it's not that Stardust is "bigger". It probably looks like that because females are "fatter" looking and do not have the defined body like the male does. From the one pic it doesn't look like Stardust is a larger budgie..just a girl..
But anyways- what I was looking up is genetics etc..trying to learn them myself. So...here is how far I got:
Stardust is a whitebased budgie with one dark factor.
Ollie is a yellowbased with no dark factor.
*Yellow based is the dominant gene...*
I *THINK* you will get yellow based (the base color -on their head) will be yellow like Ollie. Also I think green it dominant? and their offspring should look more like Ollie... I might be wrong but hey...we'll see soon! Either way it's a BUDGIE!:D It'll be a suprize!

PS_There is 1 thing you are doing wrong...not enough pics! LOL:p

[Marsheliah]

Sorry about infrequent pics. Our camera is running low on batteries. >.< I want pics too! I checked the nest box this morning, nothing but a growing and chubby and healthy little bub. Maybe today or tomorrow. Or maybe never another chick. You never know, I'm not good at candling.

[Jessika]

There's not really any skill involved in candling. You don't even NEED to candle to tell if an egg is fertile.

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL467/8468343/15752748/252361712.jpg

These are my eggs. Two are them were infertile. Can you tell which ones? The infertile ones look more transcluscent and pink.

Also, if one other egg is fertile, you don't know if that egg was second, third forth... etc.

I hope your other bub shows up soon.

Pics please :D

[Marsheliah]

Oh, alright! Pics of just the bub or all of the nest box, bub eggs and all?

[Marsheliah]

Here are some pics:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_13_2.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_13_5.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_13_6.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_13_7.jpg

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_13_8.jpg

[Babyluv12]

AWwW..adorable... Thanks! I think one more egg is fertile..the second pic- the one in the middle in the row of three.I'm just guessing here.. Either way Chickie is a beauty and I'm just happy for you!

[Marsheliah]

That's the one I think might be.

[Babyluv12]

That's the one I think might be.

What you can do at this point is take a flashlight and light the eggs with it in the dark. You should be able to tell for sure then. You don't need to pick them up or anything..I wouldn't disturb her again for a while though for now..

[Babyluv12]

PS- do u still have the grate on the bottom of the cage? ??

[Marsheliah]

Yes, I have a grate that can't be removed. >.< When the bubs begin to venture out, I'm gonna put down paper towels on the bottom.

[pal0m1n0]

Cut a piece of cardboard to fit. It will be studier than paper towel.

[Marsheliah]

True. There's a little problem getting it in though. ~.~ The nest box is on the side that flips down. Lol. So it won't work. Hehehehehe. Maybe newspaper, or even cardboard sections.

[Babyluv12]

Something sturdy- if the chick comes out the last thing u want is for them to fall in the grate or get their feet stuck

[Marsheliah]

I'll figure it out. Maybe flimsy cardboard that would hold up under the weight of a budgie but bend easily enough to squeeze it into the cage.

[Babyluv12]

I'll figure it out. Maybe flimsy cardboard that would hold up under the weight of a budgie but bend easily enough to squeeze it into the cage.

yea- that should be perfect- just add paper towels or black and white newspaper over for "cushion"..
:)

[Marsheliah]

I know that much. But for now, the bub can barely scoot around the nest box, let alone out of the nest box. At about three weeks for baby one, I'll put something in.

[Babyluv12]

:) :) :) :) :)

[Marsheliah]

He can't even lift his head yet. But when I held him on my hand, he tried so hard he trembled.

[Babyluv12]

He can't even lift his head yet. But when I held him on my hand, he tried so hard he trembled.


Awww..well, he's what...2days old? lol...a little more and he'll be full of energy! :) Any signs of #2?

[Marsheliah]

Haven't checked for a while. I'll go check now. Who knows, it could be another day or two. There are still chances.

[pal0m1n0]

Is your cage the kind where the upper wire part sits on a plastic base? If so there are two other options, both of which I have used.

1: Put a double layer of newspaper accross the base, it will be larger than the cage base, this is needed. Put the top of the cage on so the newspaper is between the wires and the base. It holds it taut so you basically have a suspended floor. Nice and soft for a falling chick. You can also put boxes in the base to provide more support for the newspaper and you may not be able to use the clips.

2. Dispense with the bottom all together and put newspaper on the surface where the entire cage sits. I do this for one cage that is too big for a sheet of newspaper.

I should post pictures of the set up. :)

[Babyluv12]

Is your cage the kind where the upper wire part sits on a plastic base? If so there are two other options, both of which I have used.

1: Put a double layer of newspaper accross the base, it will be larger than the cage base, this is needed. Put the top of the cage on so the newspaper is between the wires and the base. It holds it taut so you basically have a suspended floor. Nice and soft for a falling chick. You can also put boxes in the base to provide more support for the newspaper and you may not be able to use the clips.

2. Dispense with the bottom all together and put newspaper on the surface where the entire cage sits. I do this for one cage that is too big for a sheet of newspaper.

I should post pictures of the set up. :)

Good ideas- I never thought about #1 before- that's the type of cage I have as backup- I think # 2 would be easier to clean and safer though..either way- great ideas. Yes-post pics

[Marsheliah]

I don't understand. O.o Hmmm. Here is the exact cage I have:

Clickie clickie! (http://cgi.ebay.com/Aviary-Breeding-Bird-Cage-24x16x16-W-Divider-2434WHT_W0QQitemZ250128569542QQihZ015QQcategoryZ46 289QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

[pal0m1n0]

I don't think it would work with that style of cage. I have this kind:
http://www.hagen.com/canada/english/birds/product.cfm?CAT=8&PROD_ID=08042610010101&SUBCAT=805

[Marsheliah]

Yeah. My grate cannot come out. And if it did, the budgies could escape. So yeah. I'm gonna put some flimsy cardboard over the grate, a towel folded a couple times, then newspaper.

[Marsheliah]

Well, so far, bub one is doing well, and no bub two. He's so sweet though!

[Tiki<3Polly]

Thats great!

[Marsheliah]

Seriously cute! I can't wait till bub two hatches. BUUZ told me from a pic on Conure Crazy! that it probably would. Poor thing is lonely, I think.

[Babyluv12]

Aww..even it it's just one...that would be adorable!

[Babyluv12]

Aww..even it it's just one...that would be adorable! mommy, daddy and child

[Marsheliah]

Heheheeh. A pampered only child. And it would, in turn, be pampered by me. Lol. But even two babies would be super cute. Older sibling, younger sibling, mummy, and daddy. But still. That little one is so cute! Glad he made it. And that it didn't totally spoof the feeding. Now he is learning to scoot around the nest box. Later I'll see how he's doing.


Actually, I just went. He lifted his head! It was so cute! I put him on my hand, and he lifted his head. Then he fell over and rolled onto his back. Lol, but he's sooo cute!

[Babyluv12]

I wish I could see him/her!

[Marsheliah]

Sorry. But it's true, the pics don't due him/her justice. I can't wait till he starts to get down and opens his eyes. Then he'll be super cute! I also spent some time talking to Ollie and rearranging the food. I now have a former bird bath holding food, and a cup of water, and a treat stick. I wanted him to have access to plenty of food without me blowing off the hulls every couple hours.

[Babyluv12]

Sorry. But it's true, the pics don't due him/her justice. I can't wait till he starts to get down and opens his eyes. Then he'll be super cute! I also spent some time talking to Ollie and rearranging the food. I now have a former bird bath holding food, and a cup of water, and a treat stick. I wanted him to have access to plenty of food without me blowing off the hulls every couple hours.


Are they just eating seed alone?

[Marsheliah]

No, certainly not! I was just on my way to prepare a Budgie Kabob. (Fruit on a shredable stick. They love them!) I've been a bit lazy with my fruit lately. Only a couple times a week. Thanks for the reminder. I've really got to get back on track. *is embarrased* I'll make it up to them with some really good apple.

[Marsheliah]

Phew. I just cleaned the cage and gave them fruit. And veggies. Ollie dug right in. I'm so glad he's not afraid of fruit.

[Babyluv12]

Good-are they getting eggfood too?

[Marsheliah]

It is in their food. And still getting calcium. While I was talking to Ollie, he used his cuttlebone. So everything is fine and dandy. Sometime we are going to boil an egg for a little diversity, but there is egg food in their 'Parakeet Mix'.

[Marsheliah]

Hehehee. I have about ten pounds of food too. So they are fine. I bought two bags at my last visit to the pet store. They won't run out of food either.

[Marsheliah]

Awww! Now when I pick him up (Just for a minute or less) he tries to crawl around my hand and then he snuggles in between my thumb and palm. Sooo cute! I think he's gonna be a spoiled little bugger.

[Babyluv12]

Awww..too cute...I wish I could go through the experience! I would spoil him too!

[Marsheliah]

Awww, don't worry, someday you will! I'm sure when Stormy is all better you'll have a chance. Then you'll see just how fun it is.

[Babyluv12]

I would never breed Stormy for alot of reasons. It would be between:
BOYS: Jazzy and Kiwi
GIRLS: Jamy, Maui, Ski
Maybe Sugar when he's older.

[Marsheliah]

I mean that you probably want to concentrate on Stormy getting better right now. Not that you would breed her. Maybe I worded it wrong. I tend to do that sometimes.


Anyways, that little bugger is getting big. You should have seen my Mum's face when she saw him today. She thinks he's at least doubled his hatching size. My Grandmother wants to come see him soon. He's the star of our family.

[Babyluv12]

[QUOTE=Marsheliah;128440]I mean that you probably want to concentrate on Stormy getting better right now. Not that you would breed her. Maybe I worded it wrong. I tend to do that sometimes.[QUOTE]

Oh- ok- yea- I do-
Any more pics? Or signs of any more chickS?

[Marsheliah]

No sign of another chick. And no more pics. Will get some tonight. Or try. The camera is being stupid and saying it has full batteries but shutting itself down within a little bit of being used. O.o *mutters darkly about faulty technology*

[Babyluv12]

No sign of another chick. And no more pics. Will get some tonight. Or try. The camera is being stupid and saying it has full batteries but shutting itself down within a little bit of being used. O.o *mutters darkly about faulty technology*

That sux!...........

[Marsheliah]

I'm restraining myself from trashing the camera. I can't wait till Christmas to ask for my OWN digital camera that is NEWER than our crappy six year old camera. *groans*

[Babyluv12]

awww- I got digital one as a present last year- until then I was taking pics with a $10 mini digital camera that was about an inch big- still works but...

[Marsheliah]

I have one of those. But it is full and I can't find the adapter. Full of pics from a year ago that I can't throw away because I don't know what they are of due to the fact that that camera has no viewing window. Hmmmm. And we have no other batteries. *grumbles*

[Marsheliah]

Well, the little thing has at least tripled his size since hatch day. Maybe quadrupled (sp?). Such a cutie pie! The whole house is in love with him. My parents allowed me to breed my budgies because they thought 'It would be a good experience for me'. Lol. I think they are enjoying it as well. That little bugger is fat! Hehehe. I'll get some pics tomorrow, when he is one week old on the dot. =)

[Babyluv12]

Good. I think the other eggs are not fertile.

[Marsheliah]

Yeah. Eventually, I'm going to take them out. They are only collecting 'stuff'. Lol. Anyways, he's adorable. I cleaned the nest box earlier today, and he opened his eyes! Just a little bit, more like blinking them open, but still! *big awwww*

[Babyluv12]

that's so cute- one chick and then mom and dad! PERFECT !(to me anyway) this way you can focus on raising him/her and when old enough you can get another girlfriend/boyfriend for him/her...lol

[Marsheliah]

Hehehehe. If I get the aviary I'm bugging my Dad about, and he's considering, I WILL need to fill it with a few more birdies. And I already know what Christmas is. Giftcards and cash to PetCo, my B-Day too. And then I will be getting another species of bird. Meh luffs to explore new species. Charlie gets a new cage in August, I might get an aviary, and another species of birdie. So, everything is going my way, even a perfect budgie family! :)

[Marsheliah]

Hehehe. My Father says he's ugly, yet he's the one who opened the nest box himself to peek. Lol. He says when he gets pins and such he'll be cute. He already is, personally. :)

[Marsheliah]

Ooooh, he's a week old today! Boy does he grow fast! I'll get pics later today!!!!!

:cool: :) :D :p :budgie: :budge: :cool-smiley-025: :party3: :party10: :spin: :jumping1: :baby: :party2: :clown: :wave: :party: :jumping: :b-day: :cool1: :music: :tongue: :twothumbs: :lockd: :redxdance: :clap: :happy4:

[budgiebuddie]

so excited!

[Babyluv12]

Waiting for the pics....!

[Marsheliah]

Alright, all right! I finally uploaded them. First a comparison, with eggs to use to see his size, then on to the cutie pie pics.


On Hatch Day:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/06_11_3.jpg



One Week Old:

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_11.jpg



Now, a cutie pie!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_6.jpg



*waddles and scuffles around Marsheliah's hand*

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_5.jpg



Awww, he's cute even though he's bald!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_4.jpg



Hey, why is it so bright out here? It's nice! *spreads wings and opens eyes*

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_2.jpg



Being cute is hard work, you know!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_1.jpg



Bye bye everyone! *picks up head to say bye*

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_18_0.jpg

[laurago]

wow he has grown in a week, what a little cutie pie :)

[Marsheliah]

Yes, he's adorable. And Fat. :laughing1: :laughing:

[Babyluv12]

Aww..he's so precious!!!! He's really a special little guy/girl? I can't wait to see feathers!

[Marsheliah]

He is really special. I mean, the first chick ever in this house, and I even hand fed him once. He is growing like a weed!

[laurago]

its amazing how fast they grow, would love to see more pic as s/he gets bigger

[Marsheliah]

I will. He's got more down feathers starting to come in, even this morning! For some reason, I'm thinking of the name Bubbles...

[Babyluv12]

I think he's going to be green...

[Babyluv12]

I will. He's got more down feathers starting to come in, even this morning! For some reason, I'm thinking of the name Bubbles...

Bubbles is a cute name! I think he's going to be green though.

[Marsheliah]

I dunno. I just think it's a cute name. Maybe if there are any blues some other time...

[Marsheliah]

Well, an update. I'll have to get pics. Haven't been home all day, and I came home, and checked on the bub. His down is finally coming through, and he's on official featherbutt! Also, he's starting to get pin feathers on his wings, and he lifted his head way up when I picked him up. He was crawling around my hand perfectly! Boy, they do grow!

[Navu]

AWW...WAT A CUTIEE!!:p

[Babyluv12]

WoW! They grow fast huh! I can't wait for the pics.. You have a special little budgie there! Is mom still sitting on the eggs?

[Marsheliah]

She still sits on them. I'll get pics later. Promise. Boy, he's adorable!

[Babyluv12]

I Want Pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now!!!!!!!! Lol

[budgiebuddie]

Pic Pics Pics Pics!!!!!!!!! lol


:feedback: get the pics soon!

[Marsheliah]

I gotta go to bed in a minute, just time for one or two. These were taken today. I'll post the rest tomorrow when I can drag myself out of bed.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_21_9.jpg
I love this one, he is so photogenic! He loves the camera!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/Marsheliah/Breeding%20Budgies/06_21_0.jpg

[Babyluv12]

OH!!!!!! I love the second one! He looks ADORABLE! So special! They grow soo fast!

[Marsheliah]

I think now he is actually starting to look like a bird! He's so cute! *luffs* I just gotta think of a cute name to match. Any suggestions?

[tweet 52]

Congrad on your new family Marsheliah,have lots of fun,love and joy with them.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/JEANNIE1554/32-539505406.gif


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/JEANNIE1554/freewebjunk_dot_com_birds_351-1.gif

[Marsheliah]

Thank you. Hehehe. I hear Star yelling at her husband. Wonder what he did this time. :confused:

[Marsheliah]

So far, so good! I gotta remember to get pics soon. He's got feathers all over!! Fluff and pins.

[Babyluv12]

So far, so good! I gotta remember to get pics soon. He's got feathers all over!! Fluff and pins.


YES_ PICS PLEASE! Did u decide on a name?

[Marsheliah]

Not yet. I think it is a green. Still thinking. Right now, I just call him either 'Little One' or 'Baby'. Gotta think of a name that's permanent.

[Babyluv12]

Not yet. I think it is a green. Still thinking. Right now, I just call him either 'Little One' or 'Baby'. Gotta think of a name that's permanent.


I knew it would be green! I posted that when he first hatched...lol..finnally got one right! :D

[pal0m1n0]

I have already used Little One and Cutie Pie. I recommend other choices,,I find them a bit of a mouthful to say. :)

[Marsheliah]

I'm not sure if he is a green yet. When he gets pins all over, I will know for sure. But, I'm not going to stick with those names. But I have to have something to coo over him. ^.^

[Navu]

how about SweetPea?

[Marsheliah]

I've finally decided on a name. No pics yet, sorry, been SOOO busy. But the little one is now officially named Pickles. It is a green chick, no idea on mutations, but I can see green and yellow in the pins. Starting to get pins all over his body, and the tip of his wing and tail pins have fluff. So cute!

[Babyluv12]

Awww...when can we see Pickles???

[Marsheliah]

Hmmmm. Good question. Whenever I manage to convince the camera to work. ^^