Could they be violet?

[caballoazul]

Hello. I have 3 budgie chicks and it seems they are violet. I would like to know if somebody can help me, determining if they really are and their sex.
They have violet feathers coming in their tails, they are really dark like a double factor. But when I take a picture they appear blue!

The father is this:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/DSCN1219.jpg
both the parents are these:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/DSCN0441.jpg
and the chicks are these:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos011.jpg
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos004.jpg

I have read that violets have torquise in their tail feathers,

Any help will be very much appreciated:p

[Jessika]

you got some cute babies there. I believe one of mine is a violet, but people tell me he's a cobalt. He looks more violet in real life than in pics, maybe you've got the same sort of thing. As for the tail feathers, I really can't say for sure, because my YF type two has torquise is his tail feathers.

[Jessika]

Altered shade: All other colors possessing the Violet character show its presence by an altered shade of color, whether they are Greens, Blues, Yellows or Whites. This fact is one that many breeders find somewhat difficult to understand because they invariably think of Violet Budgies as having that beautiful, rich violet body shade. The identification of Visual Violets is straightforward but many of the other Violet birds are far from easy to detect until 'the breeder has seen and handled numbers of them. Fortunately, there are several small points that can help considerably when selecting non-visual Violets. The cheek patches are deeper and are a strong dull violet, there is also slight violet shading just below the mask, and the undersides of the wing-butts show a definite violet shading. Body color: In the case of the blue-colored birds, Violet Blues, they have a stronger body color with a violet undertone. With Violet Mauves, the body is a much warmer shade and the flanks, and rump are frequently flecked with violet-colored feathers. Taken collectively, these signs will help breeders to recognize Violet birds that are not visual violets. It should be mentioned here that the coloring of the many different varieties of violets can, and do vary considerably within the individual strains. And this applies to actual visual violets themselves. Violet greens are of course a constant puzzle to fanciers who are not conversant with the peculiar shades of color produced by adding the Violet character to yellow-ground birds. Quite often, unknown to the breeder, Violet Greens introduce the Violet character into a strain. Already this year, I have had three cases reported to me where Visual Violets (Violet Cobalts) have appeared in nests unexpectedly. And each time their appearance could be traced to a Violet Green parent. In one instance the "Green" parent was a Dark Yellow cock and, its mate, a Skyblue hen. Their first round consisted of a Visual Violet (Violet Cobalt), two Dark Greens and a Light Green. This indicated that the cock was, in fact, a Violet Dark Yellow/White. Whenever a Violet appears from crossing a Normal Blue Series bird to a Green-colored one, the Green parent must be a Violet-carrier. In actual fact, the mechanics of inheritance of the Violet character are quite straightforward, as it will be observed from the list of Violet expectations.



There, I found this online. Hope it helps a bit.

[tinytalkers07]

Well to me, your male looks like a violet (or maybe even cobalt) greywing and your female looks like a normal sky blue... so if the female has a violet factor (which can be hard, if not impossible, to tell) then they can probably produce violet babies. sky blue budgies with a violet factor sometimes have a violet tinge in the body feathers near the feet.. I have never heard anything about turquoise tail feathers, so i don't have a clue about that.. But I don't really know a lot about genetics, just what I have read in my color guide... The babies look cobalt blue in the pictures to me. I know the colors can change in a picture, when i try to get a picture of my violet english budgie she looks bright blue, so it's kinda hard to tell by the pictures... Their cheek spots definately look violet though!

I know I am not much help, I just thought I would put in a little of my limited knowledge of budgie colors...

How old are the babies in the picture? They are so cute!

[softie]

I'm not very good at mutations, but there are many breeders here that can give you answers. :)

I just wanted to point out that your male has a case of Scaly Face. Not very sure, but it looks like one of the females does too. Have you taken care of this?

[Jessika]

Yeah, you're right. It does look like scaley face.

[BUUZBEE]

At first i thought that too, but wasnt sure if it was messy face from feeding the babies. I'm not good with mutations, but i'm not seeing any violets, but heck, time will tell!

[caballoazul]

thanks for your answers
I thought that the beak looked that way because it was dirty from feeding the babies, I will take them to the vet and let you know

[caballoazul]

Hello.
I'm wondering if you can take a look of these pictures, to tell me if you think they have scaly face:
( I JUST took them)
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos030.jpg
and
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos034.jpg
thanks. I will try to take pictures of the two other budgies that I have, tomorrow, (the ones that I just took are blurry)

[BUUZBEE]

the hen looks ok in the pic, dirty maybe, but from what i'm seeing ok... the cock, he looks to have it. The cere is crusty around the outside area by the beak, and the beak look scaley. its really hard to say for sure since they are feeding the babies, and i know how messy they can get with all kinds of crusy stuff!! Looking at the pics, i'd say yes, its scaley face. Easily treated though! :)

[BUUZBEE]

lol, re reading my post, i'm awfully wishy washy! sorry!!! i'd say yes!

[Bea]

The babies look cobalt rather than violet to me. And the dad does have scaly face. Both parents should be treated though. :)

[softie]

Bringing both parents to the vet and getting treatment will cure the two fairly easily. :)

You will also want to keep the chicks seperate from any other budgies except their parents, since it is possible for them to have the mites as well. This is usually why some people will bring home budgies that has burrowing mites and later turn into Scaly Face disease.

Until they are sure to not have mites, I would keep them seperate for the time being. :)

[IslandBudgies]

It looks scaley face to me.

[MyxLovexo]

Yes, it is scaly face. The cere has a lot of it all over the vere. Both parents need to go to the vet. Oh, and cute baby's by the way!

[caballoazul]

Hi, regarding the scaly face, I posted and entry in the health section if you can have a look and help!
thanks

it can be found here: http://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=7749

[caballoazul]

Hello guys,
It seems that all my 3 chicks are violet, and not cobalt. I have been readind this article:
violet budgies article (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/clivehesford/Peter/violets01.html)
and it says somethings that make me think my chicks are indeed violet.:
The best guide to distinguishing Violet Skyblues from Cobalts are the tail and flight feathers. Cobalt tails are a solid navy blue. The darker the Cobalt body colour, the deeper the blue of the tail but even the palest Normal Cobalts have navy blue tails. In Violet Skyblues the tail feathers are turquoise at the quill end darkening to blue toward the tip. The depth of turquoise in the tail varies with the depth of body colour. The difference we see in the tails can also be seen in the flight feathers. The colour in the flight feathers of Cobalts is dark blue. In Violet Skyblues there is a glossier turquoise iridescence like that seen in Skyblues but slightly darker that the Skyblue. In general Violet Skyblues have a brighter appearance than Cobalts.



You can see the tuquoise feathers in their tails here:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos005.jpg
and
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/pericos018.jpg

Acording to the article, you can distinguish between cobalts and violets because cobalts have navy blue feathers in the tail, and violets have turquoise.
Also check their cheek patches, they seem a rather dull violet instead of the blue in cobalts.
If somebody can comment, and add to their type (factors and such) I will be very grateful
regards

[Bea]

That's talking about the tail colour of violet skyblues which look extremely similar to cobalts. And going by the site description you could indeed have violet skyblues. A visual violet would be a violet cobalt which gives that really bright purple looking colour. :)

[caballoazul]

hi Bea, It seems that when I take a picture they look rather blue, but in person, they look VERY purple. My sister visited yesterday and she have seen pictures of my budgies, but when she saw them in person, comented how different they look in the pictures (they look blue), but they are definitely purple.
You can see this picture:
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/caballo_azul/budgies017a.jpg
in the left is Azul, their mother, on the right is Cereza, the first baby

[Violetblue]

Here are some good photos
I think you have cobalts, too.

very cute babies


http://www.clix.to/mybudgies