Pip and Spring

[Amy]

Hello all, once again!

Please, I want to make this clear..

I do not need advice and am not asking for any. :)

Ok, well, Pip and Spring are ready to breed! I found most of my budgie's birth certificates and what a HUGE shock I got!

Pip's goes like this:

Sex: Male
Birthdate: (This is the totally shocking part..) 28/01/06 I know!!! :eek: I think he's just a small guy, the place where I got him, they don't sell baby budgies, they are mainly all like around 1yr old or something, I got Pip in December sometime, and now it's the middle of Febuary, and so that's means he's like 1yr 3months old! They are both in condition, and the nestbox is in their cage with Spring in it. Spring's sorting it all out and everything, and I've spotted them mating like 4 million times today! :P

I'm not breeding Billy and Lily, due to Lily's wing, I don't want her to hurt it again.

Plus did anybody see my thread about our day with a breeder? I don't think I saw any replies, in fact, Did I ever post it? I remember posting lots of pics.. and I hand fed some babies and held them, um.. ooh dear. :( It didn't get posted. It was like 3 weeks ago.. My parents were there too.. oh. :( Well It was amazing and I was given a copy of his book, about budgie breeding, it's amazing!!


They are ready and in condition, I am ready and knowledgable, so are my parents.

The nestbox is in, so Is Spring. :P

I'm sooo
ready and I'm getting Hand feeding stuff tomorrow, so I'm prepared for anything. I have the avairy coming soon and by the time the new birdies are out of quarantine, the bubs will be ready to leave the nest and join the flock.

Also, I'm not creating more budgies when there's so many already wanting homes, I would like to be a budgie breeder someday, and I've got to start somewhere!! Plus I've rescued plenty of budgies in the past.

I have room too..

The avairy of course! I won't over crowd, hehe, 25 max I think.. :P

I hope you understand, I have to start somewhere! I'm ready, so are my budgies.

See you later,

Wish us luck,

Amy, Pip and Spring

[BUUZBEE]

I think you've had tons of advice here amy, so if you think your ready, then go for it. Good luck


also... do you have all your breeding supplies? brooder, etc.?

[JuliesGonnaDance]

Good luck! :)

[Amy]

Yes, I have a brooder and also have a back up brooder! A small box placed in the warm cupboard.

[A-n-M]

Hope everything goes well Amy! :)
Goodluck and keep us posted on the progress.

[Amy]

Thank you, Spring is back in the box and Pip however is hanging upside down on the top of the cage... :S

[zarrion101]

As I said earlier Amy, goodluck. ;)

[Amy]

Thanks! Spring hasn't come out yet, I hear lots of scraping noises!

[ally and flock]

she is just making her babies home just right. i've looked back and amy is right. pip is old enough to breed. she first posted about pip and his pic january 6th 2006.

[Bea]

Woah!! So you mean when Pip looked like this:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/lop-eared_bunny/100_0328-1.jpg
He was 8 months old!! Wow!! And he still had his baby bars and no iris ring, that's simply amazing!!! I would've sworn this budgie was under 6 months? Or is my perception of budgie development totally off?

Anyway, we know we can't stop you so i just hope that nothing goes wrong.

[Amy]

Urm.. Right.. :S Well this certificate says..

[Bea]

Can you scan it or photograph it? I'd love to see it cause most places here don't supply a certificate, some breeders would i guess but i thought Pip came from a pet shop.

[Amy]

He did, and they get there's from a breeder who doesn't sell babies.

[zarrion101]

I've never seen a budgie's certificate before, would be nice to see. :)

[Tiki<3Polly]

I would also like to see the certificate if you can scan it.

[SushiGURL]

ahh thats so exiting! :) must send pictures, stories and most all tell us about everything! hope it goes well

[Amy]

Yes yes yes! My Dad is in bed so It'll be tomorrow, ok?

[Ruta<3]

Oohh goodluck with it!

[Kalahari]

That certificate is probably wrong then... He doesn't look 8 months at all. Pet stores aren't always reliable.

[BirdieBabi]

The breeder/petstore is OBVIOUSLY lieing about the age! Chico is older than that, he lost his Baby bars before you even got spring, and Chico still isn't even old enough (he is only around 8 months or so)

Amy, why do you NEED to breed your birds!! It's not a necessary thing, and it kills your birds along the way! What if you were out at the store or something, and Spring became eggbound?! You would not beable to do anything until it's too late! Then what? You would try with another pair?!? Breeders usually never leave their house when they are breeding, and i know yo uwould never beable to make that promise!

I still don't get it. I know I would have no success stopping you, but I need you to read this! Because breeding anything that is totally dependent on you, is a huge job, even if Budgies are easy to breed!

Oh and by the way...I thought you said Lily's wing was healed? So you lied about that too? If you want to make sure you don't hurt it again, the vet can fix it!

I really hope your birds come out of this without any injury

Goodluck..

[Kalahari]

I agree with BirdiBabie. Why do you want to breed anyway? It's an extremely stressful process. Besides, a pet store breder wouldn't keep certificites, they mass breed birds, they are out there to make money.

The certificate is WRONG. Cook is younger than eight months. And he already has lost most of his baby bars.

[softie]

I believe Amy has said in her first post, that she didn't want any advice or suggestions. She simply wanted to let you all know what she was doing with her budgies.

So with that, going back on topic.

Good luck Amy, Some of your actions come as a suprise, regarding your previous threads, but if this is what you are certain of, than I only hope for the best. :)

[peekaboo]

AMY, Good luck with breeding your birds, I hope everything goes well. At least this doesn't mean morning sickness, or swollen ankles! :giggle: keep us updated, and send pictures too. :wave: Sincerely Tina Marie

[Skye]

.. Amy, I know you don't want advice, but PLEASE concider this. Just PLEASE think about it. Alright?

Look at what everyone is saying, barely anything posetive, we are here to help and you are going to end uphurting your birds!!! If you think that we don't care about you I can't say everyone does but we ALL care about your budgies, and we want them to make it and be safe, so PLEASE just listen. The certificate thing is right, you should monitor too. And anyway PLEASE think about what you are taking on. you are getting SIX more birds too...? I'm sorry if I sound rude at all, but don't go overboard, we all love budgies but you mustnt rake them like items and get more and more and say you 'love' them when you barely have one for long enough and you get 13 more!!!!!!! I'm not saying you arn't experianced or anything, but BUDGIES ARN'T ITEMS and you have to take care of them PROPERLY!

The pet store wasn't telling the truth, or maybe you arn't who knows. Pip couldn't have been that old, if he had his baby bars. Bea is right, and I think you should take that into concideration of how much MORE experiance she has than you. Also that you might be risking Pip and Spring. PLEASE PLEASE just think about it, you don't have to breed. Wait until you are older, because you have t have time to hand feed the babies a few times a day. What about schoo?

-Skye-

[parakeetluverr]

I'm sorry Amy,but I agree with Elise. She's right about the certificate and it's killing your birds along the way. You said you don't want any advice, I know...but I just have to say that, it's bugging the crap out of me.
Sorry if I offend you.
Goodluck........:/

[C&C]

Sorry hun, but pet store breeders are in no way at all reliable. Just look at your budgie, if you honestly don't know enough about them to know that he still has all of his bars, then you should in no way be breeding.

[ally and flock]

ok in this pic
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/lop-eared_bunny/100_0328.jpg
pip is 2-3 months old and she brought him home on 12-04-2006 which is January of last year on the fourth. so as of 12-04-07 she have had him a year plus the 2 or 3 months he was when she got him. so he is 1.3 years old. some where around there. here is the thread link to. http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=4222 (http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=4055) some one correct me if im wrong. Amy wants to gain experience with budgies. how can she learn if she dont try. im sure everyone has started from somewhere. I know breeders who have been breeding since they were Amy's age. Its not only amy's choice. her parent know about this too. Here parents are paying for the aviary which benefits her birds. they wont be in cages that are half small.
i'll ask any one who has breed. when did you start breeding?

about lilly's wing it was posted on another forum but i cant find the post. that once her wing is healed she wouldnt be in pain. if it was broken it would hal ans the pain would go away. but if it was dislocated it would take a while to heal but eventually the pain would go away. i'll keep looking for the post but i cant find it right now. so amy didnt lie about that

[Tiki<3Polly]

ok in this pic
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e264/lop-eared_bunny/100_0328.jpg
pip is 2-3 months old and she brought him home on 12-04-2006 which is January of last year on the fourth. so as of 12-04-07 she have had him a year plus the 2 or 3 months he was when she got him. so he is 1.3 years old. some where around there. here is the thread link to. http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=4222 some one correct me if im wrong. Amy wants to gain experience with budgies. how can she learn if she dont try. im sure everyone has started from somewhere. I know breeders who have been breeding since they were Amy's age. Its not only amy's choice. her parent know about this too. Here parents are paying for the aviary which benefits her birds. they wont be in cages that are half small.
i'll ask any one who has breed. when did you start breeding?

about lilly's wing it was posted on another forum but i cant find the post. that once her wing is healed she wouldnt be in pain. if it was broken it would hal ans the pain would go away. but if it was dislocated it would take a while to heal but eventually the pain would go away. i'll keep looking for the post but i cant find it right now. so amy didnt lie about that


ally, the two NEW budgies were over a year... not pip

[ally and flock]

she want to breed pip and spring. pip is 1.3 years old around there and spring is almost 2. their ages are good. cheek the date for when she brought pip home. ( i may of been wrong. correct me if i was).spring looks like she is mature.

[ally and flock]

srry i had the wrong link above but i fixed it. srry.

[BUUZBEE]

I think its time to calm a bit. Amy has been talking about breeding for a long time now. We have given her tons of advice, and she has been reading a lot. If she feels she is ready, then let her have a go at it. Just because you or I might think she has enough birds, who are we to say? All of us breeders had to have a start somewhere. We can advise along the way when & if she asks.
But to get into arguments about what a bird looks like from a picture is silly. She said she has a certificate, and to be demanding copies to me looks like acusations. Amy knows when she got the birds, and what they looked like etc. She will be the one responsible if her info is wrong.
I understand there are members on here that are totally against breeding, and the only thing we should be doing is adoptions, but thats not for all of us. some of us breed, some of us adopt, some of us buy from stores, some of us do all of it. Everyone needs to remember this forum is for budgie lovers, not budgie breeders, or budgie rescuers (sp? lol), but everyone that loves budgies.
Amy has been given a LOT of crap before, especially from me, and i for one think she has learned a lot. She has one advantage that most of us didnt have when we started breeding, she has this forum. So try stepping back a big, let her try. She has shown she does have family to help her along the way, and she has us :)

[softie]

Very well said Anna, completely agreed :)

[ally and flock]

thanks buuzbee. i think you did a really good job saying that. well said :)

[BUUZBEE]

just ignore all my spelling errors :)

[Genevieve]

Im confused :S Im not defending anyone & maybe i havent read old posts but how come everyone approves of say Bea's budgies having babies but not Amy's? Im not being rude so please no-one take it the wrong way, im just confused!

[Bea]

pip is 2-3 months old and she brought him home on 12-04-2006 which is January of last year on the fourth. so as of 12-04-07 she have had him a year plus the 2 or 3 months he was when she got him. so he is 1.3 years old. some where around there.
She got him December last year, not january, she got him when Skye died. December last year is when the photos were taken, she's had him 3 months.

Anyway, Amy is free to do what she wants with her birds. Going by what Amy has told us all in past posts her parents will financially support her breeding and she has brooders and has recently actually been shown how to hand feed. As far as we know her parents can share any handfeeding that may need to be done so that Amy's studies aren't interupted. Amy has been given tons of advice in the past that she may not have taken happily at the time but we can only assume she's learnt lots from all the people who've tried to help her. 12 is a very young age to be fully responsible not only for a life but for bringing new life into the world but we've been told her parents are right behind her. She's got an aviary on the way (hopefully it won't fall through) and the dimensions of that allow for a lot of budgies so none should be cramped. Everything is in order now from what we've been told so all that's left is to say good luck and i hope nothing goes wrong in your first real venture into breeding these little birds.

I would still be interested to see these certificates though simply because we don't get anything like that here and i want to see what's included on them incase i ever sell baby budgies i think it'd be nice to give the owners a hatch certificate. :)

Im confused Im not defending anyone & maybe i havent read old posts but how come everyone approves of say Bea's budgies having babies but not Amy's? Im not being rude so please no-one take it the wrong way, im just confused!
Amy's 12 and if you go back and read some older posts regarding breeding and seeking vet care when necessary you'll see where some people's attitudes have come from. :) We're hoping that she's learnt alot from everyone and is ready to take on breeding. I've been breeding small scale for a few years now so in my opinion i have a decent amount of experience, and many people know this also which is why people maybe don't question me so much as Amy. I of course started somewhere and i'll be the first to say i started very poorly with almost no knowledge of what i was getting into, i was blessed that nothing went wrong.

To get back on topic (sorry Amy for hijacking your thread, hehe), good luck Amy. May i just suggest that you stop shuffling which pair you're breeding with. I have hit certain circumstances while preparing to breed budgies which have required me to move breeding pairs from the breeding cages shortly after being put in them (illness in the aviary) and i can say from experience that the stopping and starting with breeding (encouraging with nesting box, then removing the nesting box) can be pretty stressful for the pair. Stick with Pip and Spring now, if Pip is a bit under 12months (as i suspect) it's ultimately not the end of the world. It's not in his best interests either but it's better than Spring being too young. You've got the equipment to handrear if he fails as a dad (and some males do :P) so just watch for any problems. I'd really love to see how you have the cage/nest box set up for breeding? Do you have the nest box inside or outside the cage? Outside is best as you can check what's happening inside easier, clean easier not to mention it leaves more space inside the cage.

[spike]

I dont understand where the ages for Pip are coming from. She brought him in December 2006, on that thread she says he is a really young baby with huge eyes , she bought that day http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=4055

12-4-2006 is Dec 4th 2006 (here in the uk we have the day.month.year but on the forum its month.day.year) so he is 6 months tops!

but whatever Amy does what Amy wants, she wont listen, or she will pretend she has, but go ahead anyway. I cant even be bothered anymore, its why I hardly ever post here - No wonder people leave.

I hope Amy doesnt breed, I also hope Amy had enough money put by for the vet treatment of all of the new creatures she is taking on. If they couldnt pay for Lily's treatment how on earth can they pay for all the new ones? including the rabbits?

sorry but I have to say it. :mad:

[Amy]

I understand everybody now. :)

Bea, I have it on the outside, hooked and tied on! :P Spring AND Pip are both now in it. :)

[Amy]

Ok, well since soo many people, including myself, are doubting Pip's age, I've decided to stop the breeding.

I may try with the pair that come with the avairy, they have bred before and are old enough.

[BUUZBEE]

I think that would be a good thing amy. They will make your first time breeding a lot easier, since they will be pro's. They will practically do it for you!

[Genevieve]

Thats good that your waiting till he is older. I guess everyone on here has different opinions, like i believe its a bit selfish to breed when theyre are so many birds in shelters that you could rehome instead... but i know each to there own :) ...sometimes you will get everyones opinions no matter what, im really happy that you took in the important bit of information and your doing what is best for your bird, Goodluck xx

[Amy]

I don't want anybody to think I'm like unsure of what I'm doing ro anything. :)

[Genevieve]

Of course not :) Im sure if you always do whats best for your babies everyone will be supportive, you must have pretty cool parents to be allowed to have so many birds!

[Amy]

Thats good that your waiting till he is older. I guess everyone on here has different opinions, like i believe its a bit selfish to breed when theyre are so many birds in shelters that you could rehome instead... but i know each to there own :) ...sometimes you will get everyones opinions no matter what, im really happy that you took in the important bit of information and your doing what is best for your bird, Goodluck xx

Well I rescue, Breed and Buy, so I'm ok I suppose!

[Genevieve]

Thats good :) Im adopting about 10 birds + next week! I feel too guilty to buy birds anymore, but thats just me :P

[Amy]

I'm adopting 3 bunnies and 6 more budgies next week!

[i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy]

Thats great that you have decided a more adult way of thinking about this :) I'm proud of you.

[Bea]

I think waiting to use a more experienced pair is a good idea, that means you won't have to deal with any first time parent problems like what i've recently had with Scamp. :)

[birdluv]

l have been following this post and l just wanted to say that Amy l'm glad to see that you are willing to wait to breed Pip & Spring since you are unsure of Pips's age .
l also think it is a good idea that you want to try breeding the proven pair that you will be getting soon , since this would be your first time in breeding and they are already experinced in having a clutch so they will know what to do and this would be a great learning experince for you .

[Bea]

I just thought of something though, make sure you ask the seller if they've ever had any problems raising chicks (plucking, not feeding, sitting too tight causing splay legs, etc) because if they have you don't want to use that particular pair.

[Kalahari]

I think that's a much better idea. The parents will be experienced and A smaller chance of having to handfeed the kids

[BUUZBEE]

I just thought of something though, make sure you ask the seller if they've ever had any problems raising chicks (plucking, not feeding, sitting too tight causing splay legs, etc) because if they have you don't want to use that particular pair.

excellent advise bea

[C&C]

Sorry I'm coming into this late, but it needs to be addressed.

I understand there are members on here that are totally against breeding, and the only thing we should be doing is adoptions, but thats not for all of us. some of us breed, some of us adopt, some of us buy from stores, some of us do all of it. Everyone needs to remember this forum is for budgie lovers, not budgie breeders, or budgie rescuers (sp? lol), but everyone that loves budgies.

Obviously, you're talking about me. I'm not pushing her adopt, I'm pushing her to be a responsible breeder. Sure, everyone wants the cute babies, but by the information that she has displayed on this board, she does not know enough at this time to breed. Their lives are in her hands, I don't want them to suffer because of a mistake she made (Not breeding at the right age).

And this is off topic, but you said:

I'm adopting 3 bunnies and 6 more budgies next week!


I'm a concerned that you are breeding, plus taking on 3 more rabbits. Your last rabbit died because he was off his feed and didn't get the immediate vet care they need to survive when they stop eating. Please really think this out, it's a lot of responsibility. All of your animals need the necessary care, and it can be hard when you're still in school, breeding, and taking on more animals.

[zarrion101]

Have Amy mentioned she is not just breeding but her parents are budgie enthusiast, they are helping her with this procedure.

[cute_coco]

have great luck

[Skye]

Great decision Amy! I was a bit upset at first, to be honest about breeding but now Im all okay, lmao. Good luck and have fun with your 6 new sweeties and the 3 rabbits =)

[cute_coco]

you are lucky :)

[Tiki<3Polly]

Amy, I am very proud of you! Hopefully your new adopting pair has better luck!

[Amy]

Well apparently the pair has has 1 clutch before, 4 eggs were layed, 3 were fertile and 2 hatched. The 2 babies are coming with the avairy.

Also she added, that her other pair have been showing signs of wanting to breed and they'd like a nestbox. So I might try both pairs at different times.

[Amy]

I'm a concerned that you are breeding, plus taking on 3 more rabbits. Your last rabbit died because he was off his feed and didn't get the immediate vet care they need to survive when they stop eating.

Well I never knew about her not eating until she'd gone. And if I knew, I would have done something.

[C&C]

Well I never knew about her not eating until she'd gone. And if I knew, I would have done something.

Then I think it would be a good idea to really read up on rabbit care before taking any more in. Join a few rabbit forums. They are cute, but go downhill quickly if sick. You really need to know how to spot illness, get them to a vet ASAP and what is contagious to the other rabbits. That's a lot of animals to take on at one time, I just don't want you to get over your head.

[BUUZBEE]

Sorry I'm coming into this late, but it needs to be addressed.
Obviously, you're talking about me. I'm not pushing her adopt, I'm pushing her to be a responsible breeder. Sure, everyone wants the cute babies, but by the information that she has displayed on this board, she does not know enough at this time to breed. Their lives are in her hands, I don't want them to suffer because of a mistake she made (Not breeding at the right age).

I was not talking about any one member.

There is a general understaning on a forum that is a WWW site for budgies, that it is for budgie lovers, budgie breeders, budgie adoptees. Not one particular member. This forum is TALK budgies, not adopt budgies, not breed budgies, not pet budgies, but talk budgies. nothing more nothing less. and untill we can all have respect for each other, there will be constant conflict. Sad as that is. We all have our opinions that we all want to voice. And thats part of the web. Everyone needs to think about that, and remember that, and I think forum life will be much smoother for all of us :)

[Vanny]

well amy, i hope you have better luck with the new rents. and maybe someday, you can try breed spring and pip again! good luck!!:thumbsup:

and i hope everyone will stop fighting about this, and just get along!
:argue: :furious: :rant: :ugh10:

[C&C]

and i hope everyone will stop fighting about this, and just get along!


When other lives are at stake, then you need to adress the problem. If it was just Amy deciding if she wanted other budgies, then we could drop it. But if the budgies that she is breeding can be in danger, then it needs to be addressed.

[Bea]

As Amy has made the decision not to breed from Pip and Spring at this time i can't see anything more being added to the discusion of her breeding ventures that is relevant or helpful. :) I'm closing this topic.