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Dave
01-02-2011, 10:58 PM
There has been a lot of drama occurring on the forums the past few weeks. The staff have been working overtime trying to deal with all. I think now would be a good time to remind everyone of TB's mission statement, which has been posted on our homepage since day one. :)

We are here to provide budgie owners with the best information available, as well as the best place to talk about their passion for budgies. We hope to make your experience with your budgies the best it can possibly be!
During these past few weeks, it's clear that at certain points we didn't seem like the "best place" for some people. I would like to change that and get us back to where we were before all these problems started. To achieve that though, there are a few things that need to be made more clear:

"Talk Budgies" (the website) is simply the means for all of us to communicate with each other. "Talk Budgies" has no opinion and neither supports nor disapproves of anyone's opinions or the choices they make.
The staff are here to make sure that everyone's in line with the guidelines in place. It has come to my attention that perhaps the rules aren't laid out in the best way possible. So at this point I'd like to mention that a revision of the rules system will be underway at some point in the near future.
Members cannot be disciplined for what happens outside of the forums. If someone has a different opinion or way of life than you and you don't agree with them, feel free to add that person to your ignore list. Just click their profile and select User Lists, which is right under their username on their profile. Select the ignore list option and you'll no longer see their posts. In essence, this will have the same effect on their home life as would banning them. ;)
When dealing with situations on the forums, the staff go at it with an objective point of view. We cannot let friendships, opinions, or anything else get in the way. "Did this person break a rule?" If the answer is yes, we choose the right course of action for the siutation. If the answer is no, we drop it.
Be respectful to each other. This is something a lot of our members seem to forget in the heat of the moment. If someone posts something you don't like or agree with, you are welcome to respond and provide your opinion but do so in a kind way. No personal attacks or belittling. Remember, not everyone shares the same opinion as you. Even if someone is doing something you think might be harmful to their birds, this doesn't give you the right to be nasty to them. If you feel you might get very upset at another member, instead of posting your reply, just report their post and let the staff know that you feel the thread might get out of hand. This will allow us to close it before things get bad.
Remember that new members (or even veteran members who are new at owning birds) are here looking for your help! If you talk down to them, they won't return. And this will make their birds worse off. When someone is new at owning birds, they might do some things that aren't seen as the best decisions. Don't get mad at them. These members need time to learn what is best for their birds. Calmly explain (with no belittling or talking down) why you disagree with what's happening and explain what could be done to fix the situation. Again, do this calmly and politely.
I hope that we can turn everything around and continue on this year on a good note. :) We have a lot of fun and exciting things planned for this year (and this month especially)! :D Let's not let our disagreements stand in the way of our community.

As always, I am here to answer your questions, comments, and concerns. Feel free to send me a PM or post in this thread if you want to discuss any of this further.

aka.pody
01-02-2011, 11:37 PM
It's too bad that these things need to come to light.

We are here to help and exchange ideas about budgies with other budgie owners.
We have a lot of very knowledgeable budgie people on this site.

I for one am more than happy to share what I've learned, either from other members or from experience, with new and seasoned budgie owners.

And if we can have some fun along the way, all the better. :)
There have been plenty of times I look at someones pictures or read a post and I smile a mile.

And then someone will thank me for helping them and I realize that is the reason I came to Talk Budgies.

Corina
01-02-2011, 11:53 PM
Well said you both :thumbsup:

Betcherrygah
01-03-2011, 12:32 AM
Well said you both :thumbsup:

I heartily agree! :2thumbs::tb:

i♥mybudgies
01-03-2011, 01:08 AM
Thankyou for the friendly reminder. :)

Budgerigarluv
01-03-2011, 01:13 AM
Terrific reminder, Dave! :thumbsup: Karma for you! ;)
EDIT: Sorry Dave. It says that I need to spread some more karma around. :(

i love Budgie
01-03-2011, 03:42 AM
Yey this is a great thread. After all the things happening it really sheds light on the situation

Cheeno
01-03-2011, 06:54 AM
Good thread. Should be a sticky, no? Hope things get back on track now.;)

Zeena
01-03-2011, 01:05 PM
I'm glad to see this made as an official announcement :)

shaz128blue
01-03-2011, 01:50 PM
i agree - think it would be hepful to be a stickie too :)

lets cherish our friends x

AAYLLAA
01-03-2011, 06:27 PM
Thanks Dave and the whole moderator team!

Robo Hip
01-03-2011, 07:06 PM
So - when we see hoarders, inappropriate breeding references, inappropriate dietary supplements & inappropriate pictures such as birds outside without harnesses, birds being photographed on top of cats & dogs etc, best to just ignore and report the poster?

That sounds simple enough :) I'm sure we can all do that and resume a happy place :)

Bethany
01-03-2011, 07:28 PM
Thanks for posting.
We all need a friendly reminder sometimes :)

AngelWings
01-03-2011, 07:31 PM
So - when we see hoarders, inappropriate breeding references, inappropriate dietary supplements & inappropriate pictures such as birds outside without harnesses, birds being photographed on top of cats & dogs etc, best to just ignore and report the poster?

That sounds simple enough :) I'm sure we can all do that and resume a happy place :)

Yup just report it so staff will take care of it :)

Robo Hip
01-03-2011, 11:01 PM
Great stuff and I'm sure you will :)

osutk17
01-03-2011, 11:05 PM
Here...here.... good job you guys!

Robin's Nest
01-04-2011, 12:25 AM
I think it is important to distinguish between a violation of TB rules versus the things I find personally appalling.

Posting pictures of birds in dangerous situations is against TB rules. So is flaming (even if someone feels righteously justified).

Posting pictures of dirty cages, improper perches, or discussing breeding when there is neither knowledge nor appropriate conditions, refusing to take a sick bird to a vet, food rationing, and grabbing birds as a training method are just a few examples of things that burn me up to no end. None, however violate TB rules. Did I mention they really burn me up though?!:mad:

As a former super-moderator, I would have rather had someone report a post even if they were not sure, if it was maybe borderline or they just had a bad feeling that it might be going in the wrong direction, rather than hold back and see a Talk Budgies war break out.

As upsetting as the non-violation things may be, flaming is not an option. So that leaves me two choices as I see it. If I am unable or unwilling to join the community in an attempt to educate the person and convince them of a better path, or if they have shown themselves to be unwilling to learn, arrogant or insolent, then I must put them on my block list.

There is no such thing as righteous flaming, so if I go there, I am in violation of TB rules, lose credibility, and more important lose the opportunity to educate or convince someone of a better way. The benefit of being in a community is that we can all step aside and let someone with a cooler head try to prevail upon the person.

Unfortunately, drama-seekers have been reinforced as of late. Thus, we have naturally seen an increase in their behavior. Even a quick response such as "this upsets me so bad I cannot respond" is rewarding to a drama seeker. As soon as the reward for seeking drama no longer exists, we will begin to see this behavior decrease accordingly. :)

Betcherrygah
01-04-2011, 12:28 AM
Well said Robin, well said!

Zeena
01-04-2011, 12:30 AM
Well said Robin, well said!

I second that :) And Robin has already gotten her karma from me for that ;)

Corina
01-04-2011, 01:31 AM
I agree with John, well said :thumbsup:

Squeak_Crumble
01-04-2011, 01:59 AM
I just that I would mention( great posts everyone by the way!) that I went to report a photo of a bird outside, but when I went to report the button I got this message:

Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.

It doesnt say anything about reporting photos of birds in dangerous situations. Not a huge thing, but I didn't end up reoprting the picture because I was uncertain

pal0m1n0
01-04-2011, 02:03 AM
Use it anyway. Maybe Dave could modify that message.

Mango&Milo
01-04-2011, 02:14 AM
IT's sad that things like this need to be re-stated, I meen why can't some people just ignore..... its a bird form, I meen how could a fight even strike out? my budgie is prettier than your budgies lol :P. well thanks for the reminer (:

Mango&Milo
01-04-2011, 02:16 AM
I just that I would mention( great posts everyone by the way!) that I went to report a photo of a bird outside, but when I went to report the button I got this message:



It doesnt say anything about reporting photos of birds in dangerous situations. Not a huge thing, but I didn't end up reoprting the picture because I was uncertain

Would that happen to be my bird.......?

Squeak_Crumble
01-04-2011, 02:23 AM
No Sorry. But if you do have a picture up you are worried about being reported, I suggest you remove it.

Mango&Milo
01-04-2011, 02:29 AM
No Sorry. But if you do have a picture up you are worried about being reported, I suggest you remove it.

OK np :) yes i had a pic and i didn't know before you are not allowed to have birds out , I found out the day i posted it. I know now :P I do clipp his wings in the summr so he can come out and play though. only in the summer time...... Im sorry if some people don't like clipping wing, I only do it precautionary.... HE wont wear the harness he hates it :/

Dave
01-04-2011, 08:47 AM
I just that I would mention( great posts everyone by the way!) that I went to report a photo of a bird outside, but when I went to report the button I got this message:



It doesnt say anything about reporting photos of birds in dangerous situations. Not a huge thing, but I didn't end up reoprting the picture because I was uncertain
That's a pre-set message. I'll try to find the phrase that controls that message and adjust it.

orangemelodie
01-07-2011, 12:41 AM
I just wanted to say that i am on other forums of other natures that attack each other to no end, and so far i have loved everything i have read on tb. if someone has a suggestion, it is always started by a compliment, then backed up be reason or example. thanks guys!

rachelle83
01-07-2011, 10:59 AM
Thank You Dave for making this thread. I have absolutely loved TB from the time I joined. It has always been very helpful with anything budgie related (as well as many other bird species) I could have ever really searched for.

Lately, however, I had noticed things starting to take a turn and was very disheartened by that. Hopefully now, with this reminder, it can go back to the friendly loving forum it has always been 8D

cutelilbirdies
01-10-2011, 05:14 PM
Well said Robin, well said!

I second that :) And Robin has already gotten her karma from me for that ;)

I agree karma all around for Robin! :D

Abby
01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
Great announcement! I think it is good for all members to read this and make sure they continue being kind and considerate of others. I see too many forums that have problems because rules like that aren't enforced. One reason why I continued to use this website after I joined early in 2010 when it was not as busy as now was because it was such a nice place to go to and talk to people. People were kind and very helpful, it was a really nice environment. I would hate so much to see TalkBudgies or any of the other Talk sites to spin out of control and be like one of those other forums. Thanks, Dave!