: Noise complaints ?
05-05-2010, 05:47 PM
I am a student applying for apartments for next year-- I've never had any issues with my budgie (I've lived in two different properties with the same manager for the last two years and he has no idea that I even have a pet !) being noisy or anything but on my application for a new apartment (under a new company) I listed my budgie under the "do you have any pets?" heading. The company called me to say that they don't accept budgies, just cats (weird, i know) because they are noisy... now, I don't want to leave him at home with my Mom (even though she absolutely loves him !) but I'm scared of getting evicted or something if he makes noise or something after I move in...
Has anything like this happened to any of you ?
Let me know ! And what's your advice ???
05-05-2010, 05:51 PM
Renters are VERY picky about animals.
I just like to think it's because they like to be in control.
Budgies can tend to be noisy, obviously you know that, but a disturbance to other tenants?
I don't think so - as budgies are not as loud as cockatiels and other birds.
Unless the apartment is poorly sound proofed - there should be no problems
05-05-2010, 05:56 PM
Ultimately the landlord has said no to budgies, so if you move into that apartment and take your bird and they find out you could be evicted. Don't take the apartment, find one where you can have your bird. Quite often it is simply a matter of a landlord not liking that particular animal/bird so they do not want it in their property, they lay down the rules, it is in the agreement therefore you have to abide by that or find something else.
05-05-2010, 05:56 PM
Maybe you can respectfully ask for a probation period: You get to keep the budgie, but the instant someone else complains of the noise you will remove it and send it to your Mom or where ever. That way, you can both win.
05-05-2010, 05:59 PM
If they say no budgies do not smuggle him in... you can try to convince him, leave him with mom or look for a different place to live....
Smuggling him and getting caught means instant eviction if they find out plus depending on the laws where you live they can make you pay a months rent after you leave since it is you who broke contract and had to be kicked out - which would really screw you over.
05-05-2010, 08:37 PM
Hey - just putting in my two cents... it might depend on where you live. In Ontario the laws are a bit confusing, but here's an excerpt from the Landlord and Tenant Board website, regarding tenancy laws in our province:
Can the landlord refuse to rent to a person if they have a pet? (http://www.ltb.gov.on.ca/en/Key_Information/STEL02_111463.html)
Yes, if a landlord has a “no pets” policy and they learn that a person applying to rent an apartment has a pet, the landlord may refuse to rent to that person.
The Residential Tenancies Act states that any clause in a lease that prohibits pets is void. This means that once a person becomes a tenant, if they have a pet even though the lease says pets are not allowed, the landlord cannot evict the tenant just for having the pet. However, the Landlord can apply to the Board to evict a tenant if the pet is causing a problem. See the question on “Can a landlord evict a tenant for having a pet?" in the How a Landlord Can Evict a Tenant section of the Frequently Asked Questions.
So in Ontario at least, you can't be evicted for having a pet unless it's causing property damage, allergies, is a hazard to others, or (in your case) is disrupting the peace. Even then, though, the landlord has to appeal to the board or something to get you evicted... anyway. Not sure where you're from, but that's how it is here. Check out if there is anything like our "Residential Tenancies Act" or "Tenant Protection Act" in your area. You may actually be protected.
That said, I don't know if it's worth the bad blood with your landlord. You're probably better off finding someone with the common sense to know that budgies are delightful, noise and all :P
Edit: Just saw your profile says you're in Portland, Oregon... according to the government of Oregon website you're out of luck. In "Landlord and Tenant Rights and Duties (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:TRg7Jiq5j4AJ:www.osbar.org/_docs/public/lioa/chapter7.pdf+tenant+pet&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjFZjAmfGTk06Hbl0oEI_QaK6cvSS747Sml_g-HRWbrAAwn99O6IHz_oScvF71jO6DTu6c2mBuJml31fngXMQAft 8G7ieSvcHikP8IGNM4vhjaeoJgbuo_uyrpcGZVghXs09NNe&sig=AHIEtbQa6D0BKVqrJo3bhAl2QNG8IGa_hQ)" (chapter seven of... something? It doesn't say what):
4. The landlord can give a 10-day notice to remove a pet kept in violation of the rental agreement. If a tenant does not remove the pet within 10 days, the landlord can go to court.
So I guess for you it's definitely a case of "better safe than sorry".
05-06-2010, 05:43 AM
it's not worth smuggled animals into places here lol. especially in student accommodation you usually get a couple of days for it to be gone
05-06-2010, 05:56 AM
Thats a bit wierd. :confused2:
When mum was renting, the relestate agent loved Kipper and Kiddles.
05-06-2010, 07:50 AM
I had an apartment where I "smuggled" my kitties while I lived there with my room-mate. Some landlords can just be vicious... my kitties never caused a problem, and nobody ever said one word about them being there until I tried to leave... at which point that apartment manager got extremely nasty and said I had to pay $300 for violating the agreement of no pets. They said they saw my cats in the window... but really they didn't care until I tried to move out of their controlling complex. It's just about the money for some places. However, in the future I don't think you should ever even say that you have a budgie. I highly doubt someone would make a big stink about it, but now that you put it on the contract you're red-flagged and I would not advise that you take it. In this economy, these places are trying to make $$ in any way they can. If I were you, I'd tell them you have to find somewhere else that's pet friendly and get out of your agreement.
05-06-2010, 09:03 AM
You get the occasional landlord who even encourages cats. They can be a good mouse deterrent, and can help cut down a bit on costs for pest control. Noise would be the major concern with budgies. Personally, as long as one keeps the cage against an inner wall rather than a perimeter wall I don't see that as being a major problem. After all, you wouldn't be too popular if you put the cage up against a perimeter wall dividing your place from your next door neighbour's bedroom, and they kept being woken up by them. However, it isn't worth smuggling them in if your state has laws that are heavily in favour of the landlords.
05-06-2010, 09:26 AM
i wouldnt smuggle them in. noise is a valid concern, so its not only unfair to you and the budgies if you get caught, but the other tenants and the landlord. if you can, find somewhere else :). im pretty lucky, mums last house had a "no pets" policy, but fish, budgerigars, rats, they didnt mind! reason being they were like obsessed with their garden, and the policy was designed to ban dogs an cats.
05-06-2010, 08:42 PM
However, in the future I don't think you should ever even say that you have a budgie. .
I think this advice is terrible, sorry.
Most applications/managers tell you straight up if they don't allow pets - or that you must ask before having pets and by her not telling them up front it is no different than smuggling a pet in after the fact and can equal eviction etc.
If she doesn't admit to it/ask about it and the application or manager is unaware she has/intends to have a pet in there - and she moves in and they have complaints that fall in line with their policies again it could end in eviction etc.
It is always best to be up front and honest with landlords - some will work with you and others wont... if they do not allow your pet then look for another place to live.
05-06-2010, 10:14 PM
First of all, I think that the advice about lying which pets you have is a VERY bad idea. Your landlord can come to visit you at your apartment, and then you will have a problem if they see you have animals. I also do not suggest that you try to convince them to alter their rules for your exception, because then everyone else in the building will complain that they were not awarded an exception for their... dogs or even their birds, for example. If the landlords claimed that you could not have a bird, but are willing to rent to you if you do not have the bird, call them back and tell them you like having your bird, and you are very sorry that you will not be accepting the apartment. I am sure you can find plenty of other places to rent in your area, and if the landlords are desperate to fill the apartment--which they probably are in times like these--, they may call you back and allow an exception for you.