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Pip mated with Spring! :P
I suppose it's the female that age matters to the most. I mean if she is going to lay fertile for infertile eggs, I'll keep you updated.
Should I add a nestbox? I mean it would be less messy - if she does lay any eggs. As then they won't land on the floor.
Doing this might even help me get ready for real eggs and babies. (When The pairs are all old enough and I have an avairy)
I've done more research than I though I would. There is so much to learn! I'm prepared for what ever happens.
It's very unlikely that I will get fertile eggs, anyway, If they want to breed, I'll help them. Fertile or not!
The only roles the male really plays is feeding the female, mating (That's the bit that Pip might not be ready for yet but he did it. :P Whether it worked...) and helping raising the chicks, which is highly unlikly will happen!
But I'll tell you if she lays, fertile or infertile.
(Bea, I've read what you've said to Tiki<3Polly and Other people. I'm ready even if it doesn't work, which it won't!)
I'm ready with the box and vegetable oil and vets number if Spring gets bound.
Of course I'd leave the eggs until Spring gets bored with them then remove the box and everything. :P
EDIT: Ok, it's quite possible that I'll get fertile eggs I've just found out!
SushiGURL
12-31-2006, 12:44 PM
it's good to be prepared! But i don't know about the ages.. hmmm TO GOOGLE! lol
Hehe! Spring is old enough!
pipp4
12-31-2006, 12:49 PM
umm... yea i think u should add a nest box well if u want to breed
Pip is getting a bigger boy now, he's lost all his baby bars!
pipp4
12-31-2006, 12:55 PM
he he like baby bars they r cute!
I reckon he's around.. um... 6-8 months? He had his first moult when I got him.
A-n-M
12-31-2006, 01:15 PM
Is Pip's cere bright blue?
If you are planning on breeding Pip and Summer I think you should wait till he is atleast 10 months old or a year old..
Yep.. Blueish, but it's Spring who is 2. Pip is the boy. Anyhow, Let see what happens, Pip won't be strained in any way.
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 01:35 PM
he is old enough to mate, and will be fertile. if your going to let them mate, then you need to set them up correctly.
They are set up. :D I'm am very prepared for anything. They have cuttlebones, mineral blocks, space to fly, a PROPER budgie nestbox with concave bottom. And.. they are both in a warm place, and are in breeding condition.
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 01:39 PM
i didnt read where you put in a box, sorry, i saw where you asked if you should
They have just mated again! They were doing some serious regurgitation, then Pip hung upside down under Spring and they mated!
zarrion101
12-31-2006, 02:39 PM
Didn't you give them any privacy Amy? :p *tut*, *tut*.
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 02:40 PM
They have just mated again! They were doing some serious regurgitation, then Pip hung upside down under Spring and they mated!
hung upside down to mate?
Yes, but only once. The other time Pip... Um..
Got on. :P :o
:o
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 03:08 PM
LOL practice makes perfect i gues
Hehe, my budgies are unique! In every aspect... :P
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 03:12 PM
was that long post suposed to have pics? if so they arent loading for me, if not, why so big?
Nope, no pics. :P I just did it to hold the suspense.:P
zarrion101
12-31-2006, 03:36 PM
I thought there was pics, too. :o
Haha! Sorry for the false alarm!
Wait a minute - Pip is the baby! Why in the world are you encouraging them to breed? He's under 10 months which is the minimum age most breeders will breed males - many wait till over 12 months. I just don't get it Amy - i thought you were happy with the birds you had?
BUUZBEE
12-31-2006, 07:44 PM
as i said in palominos "how many is too many" thread
Kevin
12-31-2006, 08:47 PM
I know I'm new but I came across your new budgie's thread, and she/he looks very nice. I haven't seen colors like that before. But that also brings up a question, if you just got a new budgie, why are you breeding your budgies? Especially... why are you breeding the new one?
It's not the new one I'm breeding. Anyway, apperently, Males can breed when they hit puberty. He has. He had a moult and his baby bars are invisible now.
If my budgies want to breed, I help them through it.
Breeding and having a family isn't a want for budgies - they don't long for it like humans do and it's a pretty weak reason to breed. A 14 year old boy may be able to get a girl pregnant but is he ready for fatherhood? NO! This is the same with budgies. Just as female budgies hit sexual maturity at about 6 months and COULD be bred why would you? The risk of something going wrong is so much higher and the chicks being abandoned becomes more likely. Please Amy think about what you're doing. Pip IS NOT ready to be bred and if you care about him you wouldn't put him through the unnecessary stress of being bred young. :(
I'm not forcing them to though!!! Fine, I'll remove the nestbox then.
I'm not forcing them to though!!!
I know you're not - they're going on instinct. It's your job as a responsible owner to stop them breeding until BOTH are of an appropriate age. Remember that budgies in the wild will breed from the time they hit sexual maturity (around 6 months) but they have MUCH shorter life spans than our captive budgies. This is due to the general dangers of living wild and so they HAVE to reproduce quickly to ensure the survival of their genes but mostly of the species. In captivity our primary concern is giving them a long and healthy life and so it's important for us to keep them from breeding until they're properly ready to breed.
Fine, I'll remove the nestbox then.
Please don't sound so defeated - if you listen to ALL the advice you've been given about breeding over the past year from different forums i think you would KNOW you're doing the right thing by doing this.
zarrion101
01-01-2007, 06:26 PM
As Bea is saying, budgie breeding is natural. They are not forced and do not have many urges to do it. It's not really a hobby Amy, it's a business. You're doing a great thing brining more in the world but there are many in the world at the moment that needs taking care of. :o
I know you said you won't have them for long, but give it a wait I say. ;) Maybe a few weeks or a month. You've just settled in your newbie, see to his requests and take care of him before you go obeying another flock. ;) My second opinion, sorry it's changing back and forth but I can see a lot of good points which I agree on. Your choice though. lol
Ok, lets say, I keep the nestbox in for another week. If I get eggs, obviously keep it in. In I don't, take it out and try again when Pip is older. Or never breed again. :)
I think we should all agree on that. :)
Um, i have to ask why in the world would you keep the nest box in when you know that you really shouldn't? I seriously think you're just looking for an excuse to get baby budgies.
I'm not. I'm not keeping the babies anyway! If I wanted baby budgies, I'd go to a breeder.
You won't make a cent of money out of it, you'll put stress on your breeding birds and you will be adding to all the budgies out there in substandard homes or shelters. You clearly do not have the health of your budgies and their babies in mind or you would be breeding with a mature pair from a responsible breeder who knows the lines of the family. If you don't want babies for anything other than to sell i'm not sure what the point of this exercise is? Perhaps it's just me. :S
I have headache. :( Oh all of this is too much!
I may not be on for a while.
I'm sure that if you're as responsible and prepared as you say you are you know why you're breeding? Sorry if you can't seem to answer that and now feel you need to disappear? :S
I am breeding because I am. It's my choice Bea. I am prepared.
You're breeding for the sake of it. It's sad for us budgie lovers Amy, very sad.
redgirl
01-02-2007, 06:20 AM
Amy Sweetie, I think after all the advice you have had off here, I really feel you should listen to it and not breed for long time. I personally am worried that you will lose your heart in all this and will just be over run with budgies that you can not care for as much as you would like too. Concentrate on your adorable babies that you have already, they rely on you to give them love and attention and if you breed you will neglect them, not intensionaly but you will sweetie, we are ll worried about you cos we care and like you lots and we all just know you are going to get in to deep. pls Amy listen to us especially Bea, shes been your friend on here for a very long time and would'nt say anything to you if she did'nt care about you and your budgies. Pls Amy dont do it, for your budgies sake xxxx
:crying2: But can i just leave the nest box in for a few days? Spring might be eggnant. If they don't lay, I'll never breed again. That's a promise. :) I'll sell the nestbox too. That's only if they don't lay. If they do lay, this will be the only time I will breed. I will help them through it if you think Pip isn't old enough. Spring is tame so I'm sure she'll allow me to feed her if she's hungry. But I think Pip will understand.
Alll of the advice, I have raelly thought about it. You ahven't wasted your time typing it.
I'm sorry Bea, I just got a little confused.
Also remember. It's not just me who's going to helo them, my parenst ahve also researched and know about breeding.
The nest box will encourage her to lay eggs which is why it should be removed Amy. As a responsible owner it's not something you want to encourage. If she is eggnant then she will lay on the floor (i would know, i have some pretty darn determined hens out in my aviary who just love trying to find a nest and lay) where you can leave them till she's bored.
Perhaps your parents could join to share their views on the matter. The single fact that Lilly's vet care has been put off for so long sends out confusing messages to all concerned about their understanding of the importance of such things in budgies. Perhaps if we could get to know them and be able to help them to help you your experience with budgies would be more rewarding?
Bobbys girl
01-02-2007, 06:32 AM
I'm ready with the box and vegetable oil and vets number if Spring gets bound.
What on earth is vegetable oil going to do :S
You can't breed with a young boy like that - it is way too dangerous, gosh just let him enjoy being a budgie...
I am really upset reading this, you really don't want to listen to good advise do you :(
Just once?
....just once what? Just one time breeding? I have to ask why as you intend to sell the budgies? All that will happen is your parents will lose money (as it costs more to care for the breeding pair and babies than you'll get selling) and you'll put your budgies under unnecessary stress.
Think of those 6 fabulous budgies you've got in your flock. Bond with them, love them, and let them be fantastic pets. :D
Bobbys girl
01-02-2007, 06:37 AM
I know why you said you would use vegetable oil, but it wont help her if she is eggbound...
my budgie billy
01-02-2007, 06:41 AM
I know why you said you would use vegetable oil, but it wont help her if she is eggbound...
sometimes if you rub vegtable oil round the eggbound budgies vent the budgie sometimes can push it out because of the lubrication.
Just once breeding yes. I think Pip and Spring are breeding, I'd hate to ruin their family. Once. That's all. Think of Millie! She desperatly wants a baby budgie from me. Breeders prices around here are sky high. I'd give Millie a baby budgie for free. She's by best friend ever and she's knowledgable on budgies now.
Ok, welll.. If I do get say.. 4 babies, and Millie gets 2, and my Uncle one, and no body else is interested, we will keep them I love the budgeis I have, they are enough for me, but what is one more to a flock?
This will be the only time ever. I PROMISE!
I have been researching fo ages.
UPDATED WITH BREEDING:
Well, I just popped in my bedroom to find Pip sitting on the box perch with his head streched in regurgitating to Spring. I came closer and Spring made angry noises, so I backed off. they are good at protecting their box! It's been nearly 3 days since they 1st mated, so a possible egg? Or maybe in a few days.
As for hand feeding, well they are in my room, so I can get up every 2 hours in the night anyway. I'm a very light sleeper, so it can't be too much trouble for me. I have 2 spare cages now, I found 2 at our recycling center, we got them FREE!
Me and my Dad plan to start building the avairy tomorrow, or looking for a cheap big one. :P
redgirl
01-02-2007, 06:50 AM
Amy sweetie, I thought you said you was going to take the nest box out :S
In a few days. I'm seeing if I get any results first. After this I'm selling the nestbox.
You still shouldn't be breeding with Pip sweetie, we all remember the pics from about a month ago. He's just a little baby. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be a mummy at your age, well he deserves to be a baby for a while yet. Obviously as none of us know you personally or have any control in your life we can't stop you doing what you set your mind to. We can only give you the best advice we can from what we know and hope you decide to learn from others with more experience. Why the hurry to breed? You're 12 years old and you're flock is still young. Why not wait till you have your aviary, enjoy what you've got now, and then breed later when everything is ready in advance? I think you're doing great at trying to take in what we've said, it's nice to hear you listening to some of the advice. Just think, if you wait till you have your aviary maybe you could keep a couple more babies rather than be under pressure to sell them off?
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 06:53 AM
Oh gosh, you really need to wait doll. I'm a Budgie breeder and it really is harder than you think. Pip is too young, he's still a baby. Please remove that nest box and get rid of the eggs, you really are making a big mistake here. You have other things to worry about, you go to school every day and you need some you time. Raising babies is a very hard task, you have to be prepared for everything. Do you know how to handfeed? What if they abandon the babies? Do you have a breeder friend you could take them to? How about a vet? Have your Budgies both been cleared as healthy to breed by a vet and is Spring getting calcium? Do you have syringes and a brooder? Baby parrot food?
redgirl
01-02-2007, 06:54 AM
Thats great advice off Bea Sweetie, if you wait till you have your aviary and wait till Pip is a lot older then you would be able to keep all of the babies, pls Amy listen to us all xxxx :)
Ps great advice of baby5566 too xx
Well I can't remove the box as Spring is in it. It just seems such a shame to leave this oppertunity to have eggs. When I tried B&L, I was so sad that I got no eggs, and I have a big chance here. Not one of my animals has ever bred.
BUT: It's not just me breeding! I may only be 12, but my parents aren't! Pip has hit puberty and all the male needs to do is fertilise the egg and help raise the chicks. Well he may have fertilised the eggs, - Don't know yet, and he acts like Spring is his life. He protects her so much! I still have scars from the other day when I was changing their water and Pip attacked me because I went near Spring! (I got scratched) This second, he is regurgitating to Spring who is in the box.
My parents have been researching just as long as me, 1 year. They are also in this. They love my budgies and want me to enjoy them, then I thought of breeding and my parents are helping sooo much! They bought me the box, they bought some of my budgies. They bought all the cages, they chose for me to have budgies. My uncle also is a budgie person. I think he used to breed, I know my grandad bred birds of all sorts, budgies included. That's why my family loves them so much!
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 07:08 AM
Amy- I am happy you decided to breed, it's a great experience, but I think we're all concerned for the same reasons. You said you will be waking up in the middle of the night to hand feed. Do you know how to handfeed? When are you thinking of pulling the chicks? What will happen when you go to school, they have to be fed around the clock, you cannot leave them for 6+ hours without food. Are your parents experienced hand feeders? I suggest you find a mentor you can work with and learn all you can. That's all we're saying, it really isn't about age. I'm 19 and I'm married and have a 14 month old, plus I'm a breeder, so it's not about age. I'll tell you that right now.
Well, I just found out my uncle and grandad were budgie breeders, until they stopped. I can call him up if I need help, plus I have you guys.
I am a light sleeper too.
I have been on the computer for too long now, So I have to go now. :P
my budgie billy
01-02-2007, 07:13 AM
amy do you have an incubator?
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 07:14 AM
You cannot learn to handfeed from a message board, if you're going to you need a brooder, do you own a brooder? What about syringes? Do you know what to feed the babies? You have to keep the chicks warm somehow Amy. I really hope you think long and hard about what you're doing, you do not want dead babies in your hands. It's the worst.
You're going to learn some terrible life lessons if you have everything ready. I don't know how to say it to you other than say that you're making a mistake because you are not ready doll.
Yes, I do know, I shall talk later because I have to go and clean out the budgies... oh, and I'll leave the video of them nesting uploading...
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 08:05 AM
I really don't think what you are doing is wise. Listen to the valuable advice, these people are more experianced than you. Take what they are saying into co nsideration. The most responsible thing you can do now is stop what you are doing.
Your budgie is only a bab.. let him have his childhood.
xx
I put some strips of tissue in the cage, as well as a pot of woodshavings. Then they can choose what nesting material they want, if any.
Spirng chose the tissue! She's made a lovely nest!
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 09:24 AM
Have you even read what I just said?
Just spotted it. :P I see where you are coming from. But.. I'll leave the box in for a few days. I am ready for this big event.
To be honest this whole topis has me sick. I hardly ever come around here because of a post made my amy before about breeding lilly and billy. Now to breed the baby is worst. Miss everyone here but i cannot read this stuff and it not hurt me because of my love for budgies. Its like me breeding peek with lilly. Peek is stilla baby to me and has not long lost his baby bars. I can't belive what a lot of you posted and spent time writing because most of you should have know she would not had listened. Of course i'm also not trying to offend anyone by saying this because you tried. Its her choice to breed and she has it stick in her head to breed. I just hope noting happens in the end and if it does their would be no point for her to run back here saying she shouldn't have breed because everyone told her other wise. I also have no mouse to check me spelling so if something is mis spelled you will have to excusse it.
I said I'm going to wait a week, see if anything happens, if not, remove the box and sell it, and never breed again. PROMISE.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 11:45 AM
What are you expecting to happen in that one week Amy? I didn't think budgies produce eggs that quick. :o
Birdjp91888
01-02-2007, 11:58 AM
it can take 7-10 days for the first egg to be laid and every other day she will lay another. I don't really see any point of everyone here trying to help her. does it look like she is taking everyone advice? It does not seem like it to me. so in my opinion go for it if you want but if something does go wrong don't go crying about it becuase many members here are just going to say we told you so. I am sure if these 2 don't breed she will go buy another one and make another post lol
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 11:59 AM
Ok one last question, If Pip or Spring get injured, have breeding or birth problems how would you feel and react? I am pretty sure all can happen during sometime of the procedure.
I would feel as if I need to help them ASAP, and take them to the emergency vets I was just talking about.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 12:10 PM
Well spot on. :)
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 03:04 PM
Amy,
I'm disappointed, you continue to ignore the advice and not even answer the questions we're asking you. You're a moderator so you should be answering my questions right? I want to know how you're planning on handfeeding these birds and where you learned to handfeed. I want to know if you have a brooder. I want to know if you have syringes. I want to know why you do not care about Pip's health and well being. Now please answer the questions.
Ok, I have syringes, and I learnt hand feeding tecniques from my uncle who used to breed. I do care about Pip's health and well being, what made you think I don't?
He is ready to breed as Buuzbee stated.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 03:24 PM
Well I've talked to Colin which is Amy's uncle and he seems very confident in Amy that she will suceed in the process. So far it's going well. Colin is an ex-breeder who had budgies and cockatiels.
Tomorrow Amy's dad is building the aviary. So it seem she is just about ready. I'm seeing some light at this tunnel now but I still stick with my views. :o
I'm just glad Amy you're getting a lot of support and effort from your family into this as well and again I say, best of luck sweetie. ;)
Thank you Zarrion! My uncle said he enjoyed his little chat with you. :)
Well said. :D
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 03:28 PM
He was a pleasure to talk to and hopefully Colin will be joining us here. Does he have a computer at his home Amy that he could use to connect to this forum. I know he's trying to use yours but it's not going to well. :o
Mind he is registered now. ;)
Ok, I have syringes, and I learnt hand feeding tecniques from my uncle who used to breed. I do care about Pip's health and well being, what made you think I don't?
He is ready to breed as Buuzbee stated.
Read the ages post again - buuzbee also agrees that the stress of breeding him so young (he's not 8 months old Amy, he's under 6 as you well know) could cause an issue.
He was a pleasure to talk to and hopefully Colin will be joining us here. Does he have a computer at his home Amy that he could use to connect to this forum. I know he's trying to use yours but it's not going to well. :o
Mind he is registered now. ;)
He does, yes. :D It's very confusing for me as I have 2 uncles called Colin!
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 04:18 PM
Amy, you still dont have an answer for what do you plan on doing with them if you have to handfeed, and your at school?
If you are going to breed, you have to be responsible for the whole job, and not rely on anyone else to do it for you.
Its great that you are wanting to breed, but you are not in the position yet. Do you think that a person that is looking for babies would buy from a girl that has birds in her bedroom, or from an adult that has a total breeding setup? With aviaries, breeding room, juvenile cages etc.
With all the research your family has done on breeding, i would have hoped you all learned about proper pet care, and taking lily to the vet & followed up on her treatment.
Sudenly you have an uncle that before you didnt know was a breeder, but you found out while this thread was growing? now this uncle will be your breeding "teacher"? Your parents should have thought about him when you were first doing youf homework a year ago!
You come up with all these excuses and reasons not to follow the advice that YOU ask for. If you not going to listen, then why ask for it?
As for me saying he was old enough, I am mad at myself for not thinking of the stress of being a dad. Bea is 100% correct about that. I was thinking more along the lines of health, no pycological (sp? lol) issues.
You have your whole life ahead of you to be able to breed, is it so important to breed these birds? Wait until you grow up, have your own place, and can really enjoy the process of it. You can have your own aviary then, and be selective of who you sell your birds too.
Read the ages post again - buuzbee also agrees that the stress of breeding him so young (he's not 8 months old Amy, he's under 6 as you well know) could cause an issue.
My uncle, and ex-breeder, has bred for years. He examined Pip very closely and came to the conclusion that he was around 6 months. (He also trained to be a vet, but never got a place anywhere do due them not needing more doctors)
He also said that he should be able to breed, and look after chicks well, seeing how well he protects Spring.
Amy, you still dont have an answer for what do you plan on doing with them if you have to handfeed, and your at school?
If you are going to breed, you have to be responsible for the whole job, and not rely on anyone else to do it for you.
Its great that you are wanting to breed, but you are not in the position yet. Do you think that a person that is looking for babies would buy from a girl that has birds in her bedroom, or from an adult that has a total breeding setup? With aviaries, breeding room, juvenile cages etc.
With all the research your family has done on breeding, i would have hoped you all learned about proper pet care, and taking lily to the vet & followed up on her treatment.
Sudenly you have an uncle that before you didnt know was a breeder, but you found out while this thread was growing? now this uncle will be your breeding "teacher"? Your parents should have thought about him when you were first doing youf homework a year ago!
You come up with all these excuses and reasons not to follow the advice that YOU ask for. If you not going to listen, then why ask for it?
As for me saying he was old enough, I am mad at myself for not thinking of the stress of being a dad. Bea is 100% correct about that. I was thinking more along the lines of health, no pycological (sp? lol) issues.
You have your whole life ahead of you to be able to breed, is it so important to breed these birds? Wait until you grow up, have your own place, and can really enjoy the process of it. You can have your own aviary then, and be selective of who you sell your birds too.
My mum and dad did seek advice from Colin.
They will be the ones Hand feeding the babies while I am away.
Can I just stress that I didn't actually need any more advice. Some of you give me advice that I didn't actually need.
Besides, I'm having an avairy now. :P
Amy i have a lot of words i would love to say to you but can't. Essentially you're being hard headed. I hope you just read buuzbee's post here, the person you've been saying "she said it was alright" doesn't say it's alright and now you're mysterious uncle we never heard a word about before is saying go for it - how incredibly convieniant for you.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 04:24 PM
My uncle, and ex-breeder, has bred for years. He examined Pip very closely and came to the conclusion that he was around 6 months. (He also trained to be a vet, but never got a place anywhere do due them not needing more doctors)
He also said that he should be able to breed, and look after chicks well, seeing how well he protects Spring.
It sounds like he needs to do a refresher course on vet care to me!
I only mentioned my uncle because he is at my house tonight.
:S It sounds like he needs to do a refresher course on vet care to me!
Why?
Telling you to breed from a immature male budgie.
He isn't immature. Would you like to speak to him?
Excuse me - you want me to talk to Pip? :P Re-read what i wrote. Pip is too young to breed Amy, you know it you just won't accept it because it's not what you want to hear. You're not being very nice to him.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 04:29 PM
Amy did your uncle tell you to check on Pip and Spring after? Have a look to see if there is anything there?
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 04:31 PM
Amy, doll, please listen to us. We are only looking out for the best interest of your Budgies and you! Your Budgies can die, how can you not care about that? You are not prepared, who taught you to handfeed? Don't say it was your uncle because it was not, you did not even know he was a breeder.
Now please answer my question, do you own a brooder? How will you keep those babies warm if you're going to handfeed them? You're better off letting the parents do it and just handling them every day.
Pip is TOO young, would you like to have a baby with a 10 year old? That's what you're doing to Pip. Although he may have reached "maturity" he's still a kid!
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 04:33 PM
I think what this issue has drawn to right now and the focusing points people are saying is that Pip is too young, you say you have the knowledge but do you really and also do you think you're rushing into this?
I did know he was a breeder! We have this thing that keeps chicks warm but I'm not sure what it's called.
Zarrion, he told me he thought he saw an egg, got the torch and found out there wasn't! :P He refuses to wear his glasses. :P
I think what this issue has drawn to right now and the focusing points people are saying is that Pip is too young, you say you have the knowledge but do you really and also do you think you're rushing into this?
I don't think I'm rushing. I mean I've been researching for a year now.
redgirl
01-02-2007, 04:35 PM
Amy I thought you was going to take the nest box out and wait till pip was older and had your aviary, that way you could of kept all the babies. x
I did know he was a breeder! We have this thing that keeps chicks warm but I'm not sure what it's called.
Amazing how frequently her story changes isn't it? :S
I mean I've been researching for a year now.
And apparently learnt absolutely nothing, have you been researching how to ignore good advice too?
And apparently learnt absolutely nothing, have you been researching how to ignore good advice too?
Bea! That's rude.
Earlier on in the post you stated that you'd just found out an uncle of yours used to breed budgies.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 04:38 PM
I did know he was a breeder! We have this thing that keeps chicks warm but I'm not sure what it's called.
Zarrion, he told me he thought he saw an egg, got the torch and found out there wasn't! :P He refuses to wear his glasses. :P
Yep he thought the 1st one had come. :)
Bea! That's rude.
Well i'm sorry Amy but all evidence is against you at the moment. All you want is to endanger the health and safety of your budgies - because you don't want to keep the babies so that can't be your reason...
Earlier on in the post you stated that you'd just found out an uncle of yours used to breed budgies.
Not just found! Just found he would help us with the budgies. :P
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 04:40 PM
Ok I'll say it and I'm sorry because I like you Amy, you're a good kid.
You are being irresponsible Amy. You are not thinking about anything or anyone but yourself and you need to put others before you. If you cared at all about Pip, you would not do this to him. He needs to enjoy his childhood. Birds who are bred have proven to have shorter lives than birds who've never bred. What you're doing is risking both of their lives because you feel like it.
You don't have a brooder, you never had a brooder. Otherwise you wouldnt have said you had a device to hold heat and you didn't know what it was called. Obviously you did because you were answering my brooder question.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 04:40 PM
I have yet to understand your reasoning as to why you need to breed? from what i've read, its simply because you dont want to be mean to your birds???
Sometimes being a pet owner requires tough love! Thats just the way it is!
You posted that you didnt want to keep any of them, so why are you doing it? If your uncle was a breeder, then he should be also letting you know the bad end of breeding. Its not always sunshine & rainbows!
Well, I just found out my uncle and grandad were budgie breeders, until they stopped. I can call him up if I need help, plus I have you guys.
:eek: You mean you just lied to me Amy?
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 04:41 PM
He reckons her first batch will be 3, meaning Millie would have one, and your uncle would like to have one he said leaving you with one!
How in the world can anyone predict the number of chicks that will be in a currently non-existent clutch. :S Too bad when the first clutch is 8 and she's got no where for them to go.
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 04:44 PM
A Budgie can have up to 8 eggs, you cannot predict. I don't think this guy really knows what he's talking about. Sorry Amy.
My uncle would like to speak. :D
That's just an estimate Zarrion. :) From the average of similar pairings I've had in the past. Bea, Amy has known I bred budgies from when she was a baby. She used to love climbing into the avairy and feeling the birds wings against her face. :D
I hope to be able to use my own account soon. :)
A Budgie can have up to 8 eggs, you cannot predict. I don't think this guy really knows what he's talking about. Sorry Amy.
He just read that.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Yes Colin it was.
Nice pretending Amy, why should we believe that that wasn't you typing? You just found out he was a breeder and now he's at your house? Nice one.
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 04:51 PM
Nice pretending Amy, why should we believe that that wasn't you typing? You just found out he was a breeder and now he's at your house? Nice one.
LOL you took the words right out of my mouth.
seohsnaeb
01-02-2007, 04:53 PM
Bea! That's rude.
to be honest amy i dont think you can accuse anyone of being rude, after completely ignoring everyone who's trying to help you, especially bea who i think knows as much, if not more than everyone else on here put together. i think some people on here could and maybe should have had a proper yell at you for not listening + being arrogant enough to think you know best when you clearly dont, but everyone is far too nice. i'm not going to apologise if that sounded harsh, because i think this has gone far enough that the only thing that will make you pay attention now is if someone tells you straight, YOU ARE BEING STUPID, please just listen to what all the budgie experts on here have to say + act on it, dont just keep making up stories about all the things you are going to do. DO THEM!!!
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 04:55 PM
Amy as it seems to go with your threads, advice is given by us, ignored by you. Your stories change all the time, with TOTAL contraditions.
I have come to the conclusion... you do what you want, no matter what!
You dont give your birds proper vet care (with every excuse under the sun as to why you cant!)
you dont quarantine (also, with every excuse know to man! and then change your story when you called on it a month later, even though there are photos proving it!)
and now you are breeding birds too early, with no reason to other than, they are just so in love!!!
I am about ready to bang my head on the wall (as i feel a lot lately with your threads!) Until you are ready to ask & readily take the advice given, I dont think I will be replying to your breeding/health threads.
beanshoes, I am a mod. I priority over Bea. She went agaist the forum rules.
Of course Uncle Colin typed it! Who else could have?
Birdjp91888
01-02-2007, 05:01 PM
I know a breeder a few blocks from here and we are really good friends. anyways I told him about someone breeding with a male budgie at 6 month old and he said he did that a few years back with a 6 month old male and a 2 and a half year old female. he told me everything was going weel until some of the eggs started hatch. he went to the store and when he got back the male killed all the babies and broke all the eggs.he said that he didn't even know the male was stressed. everything was fine till then. he told me that is what can happen when the male budgie gets over stressed. he told me sometimes the male may even kill the female. he said he will never breed a male younger then a year again.
Even friendly males? Gosh! :eek:
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:03 PM
beanshoes, I am a mod. I priority over Bea. She went agaist the forum rules.
You're not setting a good example as a mod, obviously you do not know much about Budgies and you do not care to learn either. I am disappointed, a mod should be a better example to the other's out there. You are just making yourself look like an uncaring owner.
There are many people here who want to help you, you could learn so much if you just had the will.
You have also broken the forum rules.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:04 PM
beanshoes, I am a mod. I priority over Bea. She went agaist the forum rules.
what did bea do? PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT DELEATING POSTS AGAIN???
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:04 PM
You have also broken the forum rules.
I broke forum rules now? For telling you the truth? For caring about your budgies?
No, for not respecting other members and keeping your words kind. I worked hard for my job as a Mod.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:05 PM
what did bea do? PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE NOT DELEATING POSTS AGAIN???
No one deleted anyting! The user itself must of because I checked and it was gone.
seohsnaeb
01-02-2007, 05:06 PM
I broke forum rules now? For telling you the truth? For caring about your budgies?
i think shes probably talking to me!
I think this whole thread should be closed and deleted.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:07 PM
sorry, amy's done it before, and i wouldnt be surprised if its done again.
& i dont find what anyone here has said to be rude
Just once breeding yes. I think Pip and Spring are breeding, I'd hate to ruin their family. Once. That's all. Think of Millie! She desperatly wants a baby budgie from me. Breeders prices around here are sky high. I'd give Millie a baby budgie for free. She's by best friend ever and she's knowledgable on budgies now.
Ok, welll.. If I do get say.. 4 babies, and Millie gets 2, and my Uncle one, and no body else is interested, we will keep them I love the budgeis I have, they are enough for me, but what is one more to a flock?
This will be the only time ever. I PROMISE!
I have been researching fo ages.
although you breeding your birds so young concerns me, what concerned me the most is what you said here. No this is not about Milie, who cares about Milie at this moment. What matters is the health of yours birds. Just because someone wants to get a budgie from you, doesnt mean its your duty to give it to her regardless whether she is your friend. Yeah, you'd hate to ruin their family, but what if one dies or worse more than one. Would you rather them suffer from the lost baby? I just think it would be better for you to wait, and from this i think you might be doing this for the wrong reasons. If you want budgies, find a breeder. If the cost is sky high then let it be, would you rather one of your budgies suffer or pay money and not let them suffer? Amy youre truly a wonderful person, but please for the best dont try to breed them.
If you do decide to breed i hope nothing goes bad.
<3 Ben
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:08 PM
I think this whole thread should be closed and deleted.
Of course, because its truthfull & you cant handle the truth, so delete it? Just like last time, you wont learn so no one else can read this and learn from it either?
Ok, well do a vote!
Who wants me to breed my birds, and who doesn't?
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:09 PM
No, for not respecting other members and keeping your words kind. I worked hard for my job as a Mod.
I said nothing wrong, you are being irrational and now holding your mod position over our heads so we stop giving you advice. Please refrain from making any more posts about these birds if you do not want advice.
seohsnaeb
01-02-2007, 05:10 PM
I think this whole thread should be closed and deleted.
i dont think thats really gonna help. everyones concerned about your budgies + by deleting posts it just makes you look like your avoiding the issue + not caring.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Unless this thread has a reason to be closed, it shall not like the last one. The one thing I promised Dave is that I would try not to let it happen again and I will not delete it without good reasoning against the forum rules.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:10 PM
Ok, well do a vote!
Who wants me to breed my birds, and who doesn't?
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!
I flipping give up!!!
What will be stopping posting do?
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:12 PM
Pip and Spring 01-02-2007 02:04 PM Amy Breaking rules? tut tut!
You gave me bad karma? Because I'm trying to ASSIST you? You ask for help and throw it back in our faces. Terrible leadership, you are not a good moderator. Go ahead and give me more bad karma, because you dont like to hear the truth.
Unless this thread has a reason to be closed, it shall not like the last one. The one thing I promised Dave is that I would try not to let it happen again and I will not delete it without good reasoning against the forum rules.
Apart from about 3 posts breaking rules, arguing and other things, this thread is ok.
Ok, well do a vote!
Who wants me to breed my birds, and who doesn't?
:S Do you really think the answer would be in your favour Amy? What was the point of even saying that?
You too gave me bad karma:
http://www.talkbudgies.com/images/steel/reputation/reputation_neg.gifPip and Spring (http://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?p=62579#post62579)01-02-2007 10:57 PMBaby5566 (http://www.talkbudgies.com/member.php?u=1073)You are irresponsible.
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:13 PM
You too gave me bad karma:
http://www.talkbudgies.com/images/steel/reputation/reputation_neg.gifPip and Spring (http://www.talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?p=62579#post62579)01-02-2007 10:57 PMBaby5566 (http://www.talkbudgies.com/member.php?u=1073)You are irresponsible.
Yeah but I was telling the truth, you gave me bad karma because you felt like it.
I don't just give karma because I feel like it, I do it depending on the post.
redgirl
01-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Amy you cant go doing that.
But the post broke the rules!
Birdjp91888
01-02-2007, 05:15 PM
I don't think you should breed them now. I would just wait 6 months. at least you will make everyone happy :)
Do you know, not a single one of you has thought of PMing me about this, apart from Zarrion.
at least you will make everyone happy :)
That shouldn't even be the reason. :( She should stop cause she knows what she's trying to do is irresponsible.
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:16 PM
I don't just give karma because I feel like it, I do it depending on the post.
You are disrespecting us by ignoring our advice and posting more and more about the situation without careful reading of the posts and finding a breeder in your area for guidance. We are just trying to help you, we care about Pip & Spring and we want them to live. You do not know everything, no one does, which is why you need to seek the advice of others who can help rather than stomp all over their advice like it was nothing.
Amy, honey, voting will do nothing. If you base your decision to breed on votes than youre not ready to breed. You yourself should recognize that its not good to breed your birds at this time, even if what the vote says is true.
btw hope you read my last post :)
Do you know, not a single one of you has thought of PMing me about this, apart from Zarrion.
I would've msn-ed you but you don't seem to be on. I assure you whether i was posting here or PMing or MSNing my opinion wouldn't change.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:17 PM
Do you know, not a single one of you has thought of PMing me about this, apart from Zarrion.
Im confused? you started the thread, but when you dont link what you hear, you think we should pm you instead???
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:17 PM
Apart from about 3 posts breaking rules, arguing and other things, this thread is ok.
We have a staff section, if you report it the correct action can be taken, moderately. I am not saying the posts will be deleted, but that way we can assess what is what.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:17 PM
Why do you want to delete the thread amy? to cover your tracks?
I think it is because it makes you look bad. Stop what you are doing amy, everyone here is right, but you.
My uncle is a bloomin' breeder! :rolleyes:
I did listen to everyone's advice.
Why do people do this to me! I bet we will have like 10 people leave because of this!
I did listen to everyone's advice.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
When?
Urm, since this thread started?
Urm, since this thread started?
Well Amy you listening to advice since the thread started is news to me.:rolleyes:
seohsnaeb
01-02-2007, 05:22 PM
amy you may have listened but as far as anyone can see you havent acted on it. you've just come back with excuse after excuse about why you shouldnt do what people have said, its just getting silly now.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Why do people do this to me! I bet we will have like 10 people leave because of this!
????? do it to you???? amy, you still dont seem to get it! no one is "doing" anything to you. when you ask for advice or our opinions, and we give it, but you totally ignore it, your going to get people upset! you cant play the "poor me" card when you started the thread already know how people thought of your pet ownership responsabilities lately!
and as for you posting negative Karma, thats just wrong!
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Amy... I think everyones just about blown their top over you. Just stop, slow down and calm down. We are trying to help you, we are not attacking you and no one is going to leave if you decide what you're going to do. People might be disappointed in you but no one should be leaving. You told us that you "thought" your uncle was a breeder, then suddenly you've known for years and he taught you to handfeed since last night. You need to go back and reread your posts and start telling more of the truth.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:22 PM
Don't breed then. If you are taking peoples advice why is the nesting box still there?
I can't take it out when there's a budgie in it!
Birdjp91888
01-02-2007, 05:24 PM
That shouldn't even be the reason. :( She should stop cause she knows what she's trying to do is irresponsible.
I already made my post about the real reason why she shouldn't breed them so I didn't want to repeat myself. there are many problems that could happen. you can reduce the problems by waiting six months. that really is not that long. anyways in six month school will get out so you will have more time to spend with them at that time.
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 05:25 PM
I can't take it out when there's a budgie in it!
uhhhh WHY NOT???
Baby5566
01-02-2007, 05:25 PM
I can't take it out when there's a budgie in it!
Well reach in and take her out, shake her eggs if she lays any and move on.
I can't take it out when there's a budgie in it!
Unless she's a new 1 ton budgie that you can't shift i think you're more than able to shoo her out or physically remove her from it.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:29 PM
This is getting out of hand.
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:30 PM
This is getting out of hand.
If it is and agreed by other staff thay is, then approriate action will be taken. :o
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:32 PM
I give up amy, I am quite disapointed in a "higher ranking" member. You should know better than to start arguments and carry them on, and you should know to take advice from knowledgable members x
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:37 PM
I should think so to.
Amy that was a very good thing to do.
I really hope so Amy - for the sake of your budgies. :(
Why are you still upset Bea?
When did i say i was - it's just you've got a track record of lying and i'm just praying that this time you're not and you've done what's right by your budgies. :(
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:41 PM
No comment on that. :rolleyes:
But I think you have done the right thing Amy. :)
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:41 PM
Yes, Lying. It is most definatly a good thing that you took out the box, but you have shown a bad example of a mod, and we have proof :( I like you amy, but i dont like being lied to.
Lying? Huh?
:( Amy in this post alone you've contradicted yourself numerous times - please just drop it and stop playing the "100% innocence" card.
Thank you Zarrion! Colin said it was the best thing to do as it was angering so many people. Although he said it's a shame because he was looking forwards to having a baby budgie again, especially one I'd bred.
I'm sorry Bea, but I still fail to understand where I have lied?
Remember you still have a baby budgie - Pip! ;)
Pip isn't such a baby! Sunni is definitely :D
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 05:45 PM
Maybe that is a matter you should discuss in a pm or over msn.
Gosh, Pip and Spring miss the box, however, they shall never set eyes on it again. They really do miss it.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:46 PM
Thats too bad for colin then isn't it amy. I am sure he would rather wait, than have you dissapointed because pip was stressed and killed them all x
Birdjp91888
01-02-2007, 05:46 PM
thanks for taking it out. I think if you just wait about 6 or 7 months you can try to breed but its to early now. its not like they have to breed today.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-02-2007, 05:50 PM
I am going now bye x.
Please take advice from now on amy. They are very experianced x
How many negitive karma points have I recieved today? 2 with upsetting comments! :(
Neely
01-02-2007, 06:01 PM
Not me! I don't even know how to use the karma, :p .
BUUZBEE
01-02-2007, 06:06 PM
How many negitive karma points have I recieved today? 2 with upsetting comments! :(
not from me, i dont use good or bad karma for a dissagreement :)
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 06:06 PM
Well don't feel bad Amy! Those karma comments can learn you a lot what ever they are if they are advise. :S
redgirl
01-02-2007, 06:07 PM
I dont give people negative x
zarrion101
01-02-2007, 06:12 PM
Me either. :)
Okay if this thread isn't going to stay on the original topic, it will be closed. It won't be closed because of the advice being given; it will be closed because it's gone off-topic in a very bad way. I'm just letting you all know this ahead of time so there's no uproar like there was last time. (Just so you know, the thread won't be deleted or hidden, simply closed.)
Everyone, please just accept everyone else's opinions for what they are. It's okay to disagree, but when everyone starts pointing fingers, blaming people, and complaining over nothing, that's when things turn ugly. Please behave. :)
pal0m1n0
01-02-2007, 11:37 PM
Wow!! I have just read through all this thread. Starting it from the beginning and reading it through gives a different perspective. I agree with Dave, this thread has gone on long enough. This is post 200 in this thread and it is only a couple of days old.
Some people seem to have said they don't believe Amy has an uncle and yet Zarrion stated that he spoke with him.
My opinion, either you believe Amy or you don't. If you think Amy is ignoring your advice then don't give it. Some of the posts are a little shy of civility, and really don't need to be repeated ad nauseum.
I am not saying that I think Amy should or should not breed her birds. I don't know her personally, only what she has posted on the forums. But I have to ask, how many of you who are breeders can honestly say that they were as prepared and experienced when they started as they are now? How many of you have never had a bad outcome? Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate that others have had experience that they can share. :)
I am reminded of my mother, who doesn't want to give an opinion or advice unless it will be followed. :) Personally, I think opinions and advice are meant to be considered and if the recipient follows it or not, that is their responsibility. For those of us with children, just think of all the advice we were offered and how much of it we followed? :)
BUUZBEE
01-03-2007, 12:28 AM
I am giving my final thought on this topic. As I stated before, Amy knows how the majority of people on here that give out advice think about how she is treating her birds lately. When she started the topic, she knew full and well that she was going to be told yet again our thoughts on her situation and future plans.
When she asks for advice, and its given, why in the next 10 posts does she give every reason why she cant follow the advice. If she's not going to take it, then dont ask for it! This is now the 2nd time the forum has gotten into an uproar with her. And numerous elsewhere. I think its pretty bad when the forum gets so frustraited by one member.
When I was going to leave before, I was asked by many members to stay because they thought my advice was needed and wanted. I am a member of many bird forums and the only time there has ever been a problem Amy is behind it. As for me beleiving her, most of the time i do, but she has been caught up in too many slip ups for me to beleive her 100%. As I said earlier today, I am done arguing with her, and will no longer give any advice to her posts. As a modorator, I dont think the represents TB very well.
Tiki<3Polly
01-03-2007, 12:58 AM
awwwe! if you want you can call me Angelica amy! and baby didnt work out at first with eggs, but now she has laid another and is REALLY trying to be a mother but i dont think the eggs are fertile!
Aww Good Luck Angelica! :D
zarrion101
01-03-2007, 05:59 AM
thanks for taking it out. I think if you just wait about 6 or 7 months you can try to breed but its to early now. its not like they have to breed today.
That's true. There is plenty time, so why the big rush? You can still have an aviary if you want Amy but just take things with time.
Sometimes the best option is to wait. 5/6 months will not here you at all. You can learn a lot in that time, your budgies will be more mature, etc.
I don't think I will breed, but I may consider it during the summer holidays. I don't know.
I'd say wait till summer then. pip would be old enough not that i want you to breed to begin with. I do not know this Colin person and I'm not sure what to make of this topic. make matters worst i left because of a former post Amy made and I'm back because of a topic made. I'm glad that the advise given out was use for to you and i think maybe you should highlight some of it Amy and save it for future reference.
Not ment to be taken as a good thing amy. I don't want you to breed. research for a few years and maybe find a breeder and see if you can learn a little from them by helping them so or. Also PICS OF YOUR NEW CAGE PLEASE.
I know! I know! I can't find the card reader for the lappy, and my dad is hogging the big computer with a build in card reader!
Bubblegum
01-07-2007, 04:23 AM
I have read through this saga start to finish, and I am gobsmacked,...appalled at the behaviour of someone in a supposedly revered and respected position of moderator can act as childishly, petulant, vindictive and irresponsibly as Amy has shown here. She asks for advice she doesn't want to hear at all and then tells tall tales about everything in an effort to cover up what she is truly doing. She has verbally attacked anyone who tried to advise her and help. Has she removed the nest ? I very much doubt it. Not only should everyone give up on trying to help her in any way, she should definitely NOT be in the position of moderator as far as being someone that deserves respect and gives out advice to others. I am a moderator myself on another forum and I take the position seriously and endeavor to show respect to others and respect to the job. Amy should be ashamed.
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 05:13 AM
Bubblegum, you SHOULD BE banned! That was really rude! Amy is one of the best people on here! Its her decision anyway!
I think 100% differently. Although I do like Amy, I think Bubblegum was just stating her mind. I think maybe she should make other "nicer" posts and stay on TB. Amy is a strong girl, she knows what people think about her and she takes it well, she has proven herself to be a loving owner lately.
Tiki<3Polly
01-07-2007, 05:31 AM
sorry i didnt read it fully
i agree with everyone not amy i am deleting that post becuase i didnt read fully!
Tiki<3Polly
01-07-2007, 05:33 AM
Amy
Look what happened to my Polly, Tiki was only about 8 months not even , and then Polly died , I dont know if she was eggbound or he killed her!
'Bubblegum' that post was a bit harsh. I have removed the nestbox, and you can see in the new cage pictures, THEY ARE ALL IN TOGETHER! I'm not breeding, and anyway, you don't just join to say that. This thread has come to an end, but will not be deleted.
I'm ashamed of you for saying that!
Bubblegum
01-07-2007, 06:31 AM
Some people have the maturity level of a newborn flea
:eek: Bubblegum that is totally unappropriate!
redgirl
01-07-2007, 06:34 AM
Bubblegum, This as all been sorted out before hun. At first we all pretty much thought the same as you, but Amy decided to listen and took her moderator responsibility to the highest level and since then she is doing great. So now we need to praise her for doing al lthe things we advised her to do. Your entitled to your say but on the other hand this has been sorted out now and we dont want anymore friction on this subject. xxx :)
Well said Angie. :D
Bubblegum, apologise please.
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 06:39 AM
Well said Angie. :D
Bubblegum, apologise please.
Now that's not very mature Amy, I expect more from you.
What? I don't get you! I just said something nice..
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 06:41 AM
What? I don't get you! I just said something nice..
You cannot demand apologies Amy. Just move along and forget it, you need to learn to take things with a grain of salt if they don't matter to you. She has an opinion just like I have an opinion and just like you have an opinion. If someone see's things differently than you do, then you need to accept it.
redgirl
01-07-2007, 06:42 AM
Yep I agree with that too Amy. Just forget about it everyones got their own opinion and we cant just expect people to apologise, as long as you know you are doing great then what others say about you shouldn't matter, this has all been sorted out now though so lets leave this thread as it is xxx :)
Yes, I was making it clearer for us..
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:46 AM
if she has done nothing wrong, there is no need for her to apologise. I think that is what they meant. I think this thread should be ended here to stop further arguments please x
If you close the thread, then it'll end on a bad note.
Bubblegum
01-07-2007, 06:48 AM
:eek: Bubblegum that is totally unappropriate!
A statement not directed at anyone
" Some people have the maturity level of a newborn flea "
Apologise to whom ?
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 06:48 AM
Don't close the thread, we are all agreeing to disagree here and we're going to move on and post like we love eachother even though we have our differences. No one is arguing, just stating opinions.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:49 AM
I wasn't thinking of closing it amy, just no further more arguments, thats not ending on a bad note. x
Tiki<3Polly
01-07-2007, 06:49 AM
Good one Bubblegum!!!! :)
zarrion101
01-07-2007, 06:52 AM
A statement not directed at anyone
" Some people have the maturity level of a newborn flea "
Apologise to whom ?
Then it wasn't slightly helpful to the debate which has now beed ended! :o Mind I wouldn't say that to anyone even if you wasn't directing it to anyone.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:52 AM
OK I think everyone should calm down, write something nice, and then this thread should be closed.
This topic has gone wayyyyyyyyyy off track. It is not even talking about pip and spring. Those are the rules I am affraid and the mods should know that
xx
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 06:52 AM
You know what? We shouldnt be turning this into a big fight.
Amy recently says she removed the nest box, do we live with Amy? Do we know for sure? No we do not, but we are taking her word for it because we like Amy and Amy is a cherished member of the forum.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:54 AM
Indeed.
Unless this forum is going to talk about the actual topic I think it should be closed
Tiki<3Polly
01-07-2007, 06:54 AM
I agree with baby5566!!!
Ok. Back to Pip and Spring.
They aren't breeding, but they still love eachother. :P
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:55 AM
Bless them, might we be able to see some more piccies? xxx
Can I just say somthing?
Um well, Bubblegum, what you said did upset some members, and they misunderstood. However, what you said wasn't very nice and did insult people.
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:56 AM
also what happens to the eggs now once they have mated, where will she lay and what would you do with them?
Baby5566
01-07-2007, 06:56 AM
I want to see a pic of Sunni too.
Bless them, might we be able to see some more piccies? xxx
Sure thing! I'll get some piccys from yesterday. :P
zarrion101
01-07-2007, 06:58 AM
I have read through this saga start to finish, and I am gobsmacked,...appalled at the behaviour of someone in a supposedly revered and respected position of moderator can act as childishly, petulant, vindictive and irresponsibly as Amy has shown here. She asks for advice she doesn't want to hear at all and then tells tall tales about everything in an effort to cover up what she is truly doing. She has verbally attacked anyone who tried to advise her and help. Has she removed the nest ? I very much doubt it. Not only should everyone give up on trying to help her in any way, she should definitely NOT be in the position of moderator as far as being someone that deserves respect and gives out advice to others. I am a moderator myself on another forum and I take the position seriously and endeavor to show respect to others and respect to the job. Amy should be ashamed.
The care of someone's birds should not reflect on the user posistion on a forum. Amy was not made mod because she was an excellent carer with birds, she was made that position because she was a well known trusted member of this forum from start to present and so far has done a great job.
Moderating has nothing to do breeding your birds, or not taking that kind of advice, or receicing accusations about her lying. She's her to do a job and enjoy the forum. I do think your post was a bit harsh. She has not shouted or thrashed anyone with thier advice, she has just read it and replied.
also what happens to the eggs now once they have mated, where will she lay and what would you do with them?
I doubt she'll lay, and if she does, they'll hit the floor and crack anyway. So I'm not worried. :P
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 06:59 AM
cant wait to see! xxx
zarrion101
01-07-2007, 07:00 AM
Ooo picccies. :p Sorry didn't see the previous comments when saying that post but I don't believe in sugar coating so I just had to say it. :o
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 07:00 AM
zarrion can we stop that subject now? everything has calmed down and I think any more on that matter will make the users cross again xxx
And indeed we did did see all her budgies in the new cage. That is the evidence we've seen and that's all we have to go by. If indeed, as it seems, Amy has taken all the advice and stopped the breeding then good for her and mostly FOR HER BUDGIES. None of us have any knowledge that she hasn't done this and so i think this thread should be closed. As to ending it on a bad note - this whole thread has covered some shocking lies, unfortunate situations and arguments. I don't see how it'll end well because as long as it's open someone can dig it up and start everything again. It's all been said and HOPEFULLY a resolution has been reached and things will turn out well for Amy's budgies. So why leave it open to starting again?
Can I just say somthing?
Um well, Bubblegum, what you said did upset some members, and they misunderstood. However, what you said wasn't very nice and did insult people.
I don't think it's your place to say something like this Amy because a lot of what you've said in this thread upset A LOT of members. :(
zarrion101
01-07-2007, 07:03 AM
zarrion can we stop that subject now? everything has calmed down and I think any more on that matter will make the users cross again xxx
Yeah of course. I was writing it when that small fued was active and just needed to state a point. :o Sorry...
i<3mrchirpydoodlebirdy
01-07-2007, 07:03 AM
OK I really think this thread should close now. It will get out of hand if people keep bringing up this subject xxx
zarrion101
01-07-2007, 07:04 AM
I do agree Bea, since the topic was on Pip and Spring mating and breeding it is going a tiny bit off topic now. I don't even know why it was brought back up, from the dusty shelf. :o
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