First time breeder !

[Safin]

I do have 8 pairs ( around 6 months old) , first time i am having these beautiful lovely colourful birds .... i am so excited that 4 days ago 2 pairs laid eggs ( 2 each ) But i have seen 4 broken eggs on the floor of the case ( 2 r inside the box and good shape)!!!! ... my queston is is it very young to have babies? is it very normal sometimes they lay eggs outside of the nest box ? how many eggs they can lay on first time ? how many hours female stay inside the box ( i have seen female come out from the box so often or sit on the top of the box ) ? is it good idea to keep some food and water at night ? ... sorry to ask so many questions , i am really excited. waiting for the comment , thanks.

[helenvee]

6 months? :eek: This is waay too young! :S They should not start breeding until the males are 12 months and older and females are 18 month and older, I'd suggest addling the eggs and removing any breeding boxes. Breeding young budgies this age can have devastating outcomes. :(

[Guthwulf]

6 months is far too young. It sounds like you are colony breeding which may explain why eggs are on the floor - other hens going into nest boxes and kicking out the eggs. Alternatively your nest boxes may be too shallow/small.

Colony breeding is a very hard way to breed :( Lots of fights, broken eggs, dead babies, dead parents. Again, 6 months is FAR too young to breed. I wait until my birds are 12-18 months old to breed.

[Safin]

Thanks for your suggestions ..... yes its kind of colony breeding, they r very healthy, mating so often .... actually most of the active pair i put in a separate cage, they have 3 eggs, seems very bonded pair, female always inside the box, male most of the time fade her ....... yes i know its too young for breeding , but they r doing zigi zigi and i think our climate is very favour of breeding condition same like our land and our Women ( very fertile .... hahahahhahaha...... very small country but more than 120 Millions people ) ...... actually i am not forcing them, i would allow only 2 very active pairs , lets see ... seems they r very fine, enjoying the environment and the new experiance ............ i am also so much excited. i would lets u know whats going on , wouldn't send pic right now bcs don't want to disturb them ( colony breeding)

[Guthwulf]

My birds start mating at around 6 months of age. That doesnt mean they are ready, and as the breeder I make sure that I take care of their health and nutrition. Part of that responsibility is to prevent them from breeding before they are ready. If i put nest boxes in my aviary, my birds would all start laying and mating. This doesnt mean they are healthy, it means they are responding to the presence of the nest boxes.

Its up to you, but I think you are in for some hard breeding experiences. I hope it works out well for you.

[helenvee]

Thanks for your suggestions ..... yes its kind of colony breeding, they r very healthy, mating so often .... actually most of the active pair i put in a separate cage, they have 3 eggs, seems very bonded pair, female always inside the box, male most of the time fade her ....... yes i know its too young for breeding , but they r doing zigi zigi and i think our climate is very favour of breeding condition same like our land and our Women ( very fertile .... hahahahhahaha...... very small country but more than 120 Millions people ) ...... actually i am not forcing them, i would allow only 2 very active pairs , lets see ... seems they r very fine, enjoying the environment and the new experiance ............ i am also so much excited. i would lets u know whats going on , wouldn't send pic right now bcs don't want to disturb them ( colony breeding)

I still think this is very irrisponsible on your part as a budgie owner, its like encouraging a 10 year old child to have a baby, you say you are not forcing them, but as soon as you give them a place to nest then they will jump at the chance and nest. You might encounter a lot of heart break with these baby budgies breeding but then you may not. You need to be ready for all egg and chick complications, get a lot of books on budgie breeding so you know what to look for and know what to do when something like egg binding or abandoned chicks happens. Tragedy is always a risk when someone decides to breed no matter how old the budgies are. The younger and older the breeding pair you are more likely to encounter complications. I would strongly suggest stopping now. I know its really exciting but if you just hang on for another six months it would be much more benificial for your budgies. I wish you all the luck in the world and hope everything works out with not too much heart ache. Keep us posted.

[Jimm-V]

I am the 3rd person to strongly advised you NOT to breed budgies as young as 6 months old. Hen in particular becomes weaker in her bone structure as the calcium was used up to lay the eggs. It will be a futile effort as you have already seen eggs on the cage floor. These eggs were lost calcium from a still developing bones of the hen. We obviously do not wish to see dead hen in due course if you continue to breed young hens.

Please do a favour for us. Wait for another 6 months so that the hens are nutritionally stronger to start breeding.

[Safin]

Thanks everyone for sharing valuable suggestion and advice. I thought its like Nature where birds mates and breeds whenever they feel to. Anyway, you do have so much experience about the cage birds, know what should or shouldn’t. I appreciate your advice & suggestion. I would take off all the nest boxes except one where already 3 eggs laid one week ago. What i should do about the eggs of other pair, is it wise to put those with 3 eggs? I would wait another 4/5 months and watch the One pair which are allowed to be breed.
Thanks again for your valuable advice;

[Safin]

I would allow ONE pair for breeding which laid 3 eggs ......
what should i do with the other pairs egg ?
should discard or put them with 3 eggs ?
waiting for the expart advice, thanks.

[teasha]

You should toss all eggs even if laid a week ago, it's best for babies and parents.

[Jimm-V]

I would allow ONE pair for breeding which laid 3 eggs ......
what should i do with the other pairs egg ?
should discard or put them with 3 eggs ?
waiting for the expart advice, thanks.

Parents unable to cope with a clutch larger than 4-5. Unknowingly they will starve themselves in the course of feeding large clutch of baby chicks. As such, I would advise you to addle the other 3 eggs. Just shake the eggs and toss them.

By the way, thanks a lot for listening to advice.

[Safin]

Sorry i can't toss them all , i just checked .. one box has 5 eggs, another 3 eggs, another 1 egg, another 3 hens probably would lay today bcs of very bulgy back ...... pls suggest me honestly what should i do, can i throw or can keep one box ???

[helenvee]

Throw them away and try again in another 6 months. Its not worth it. Any good breeder would advise you not to let 6 month old baby budgies breed. Do not breed your budgies just for the sack of your enjoyment. They may seem like they want to breed but they are not ready for parenthood! Just like teenagers! Do whats right for your budgies health and toss em.

[teasha]

I totally agree, shake them and toss them. I know it's hard thinking they're growing and your killing them, but think about your birds lives and health!

We are being honest we've been through it. Knowone on here has any reason to lie to you.

If you want babies that bad, go buy an older pair.

[helenvee]

If you want babies that bad, go buy an older pair.

Thats a good idea.

[Guthwulf]

Leaving one box will only cause fights unfortunately. Best to clear them all out and re-start when they are older. Even better, use that time to build some breeding cages and save yourself a lot of trouble later on! I converted an old book shelf, it works perfectly. There are lots of things you can use to build breeding cabinets.

[Safin]

Thanks for your suggestion, actually i do have one separate cage & the pair with 5 eggs i decided to keep r in that cage ........ if i destroy all eggs i couldn't get sleep..... let me keep the healthy pair, i am giving them ca, vit, fresh veg ... seems very fine, i am trying my best to keep them healthy ..... i am sure result would be fine, just pray for my little birds .... i would keep posting their latest news, thanks for ur advice & sorry for keeping one pair with 5 eggs.

[Guthwulf]

The pair in the seperate cage should be fine. But remove all nest boxes in the aviary (even with eggs). Colony breeding will cause trouble, especially with young birds. The ones in the seperate cabinet I suppose will be fine. If they are also young, only let them have this one round of chicks and then place them back in the aviary with the rest.

I commend you for making changes in the best interests of your birds. I know it can be hard sometimes, but I have had birds sitting on 4 eggs who I decided were not going to be healthy enough to raise the chicks so I placed them back in the aviary and either fostered the eggs, or if no foster pairs were available I destroyed the eggs. I don't want to risk the health of my birds simply to produce babies. Good on you :)

[Teegzy]

Oh gosh... I couldnt bring myself to "shake" the eggs.
:( Thats sounds horrible. I know you guys say it's best
for the birds.. But budgies can actually have clutch's at 60
days old. yes 60 days! They're still babies for god sake,
but it's true.

[Safin]

Thats interesting ! where have u got the information that budgie starts breeding as early as 60 days ? .... it obviously exceptional but do u have any practical experiance or have seen breeding around 6 Months ? Thanks again for ur information.

[Guthwulf]

I know of budgies mating and laying eggs at around 90 days, but I can't say i've heard 60. Possible i guess? Not sure. Either way its best after 12 months and i prefer 18 months myself.

[Teegzy]

I know of budgies mating and laying eggs at around 90 days, but I can't say i've heard 60. Possible i guess? Not sure. Either way its best after 12 months and i prefer 18 months myself.

Thats interesting ! where have u got the information that budgie starts breeding as early as 60 days ? .... it obviously exceptional but do u have any practical experiance or have seen breeding around 6 Months ? Thanks again for ur information.



I watched a documentary thing someone actually posted
a you tube video of budgie in the wild, here in Australia... They
are ready to breed in 60 days. They do this so they can get as
many as possible before the wet season is over.. Also because
a lot of the bubs get eaten when learning to fly. I personally wouldn't
breed at 6 months of age.. But apparently they can.

[Safin]

Hurreeeeeeeeeee ........
My little cute Budgie hatched 1st egg ... so little cute baby, both r fine and healthy .......... i was in office, came at home & right the way went to the cage and found a cute baby , egg shell r inside the box .... should i take off the egg shell from the box or birds would do ???
What should be the food ? still i give them seeds and vegitable ... waiting for the experts suggestion ...
I have taken some pictures but couldn't post those ( i don't know why .. its 8.1 Megapixel) .. Thanks

[Whippetgirl]

Toss them. They probably aren't fertile anyway.
steph

[teasha]

Leave the egg in there, they will either move it or eat it. If they eat it, they will get more calcium in their bodies.

[Safin]

Thanks Teasha for ur kind reply.
This pair has 6 eggs .... already 4 of them hatched ... 2 more to go, i have posted some picture, have u seen that ?
Another pair also has 6 eggs , 2 hatched, 4 more to go... little lovely cute baby. Can't wait to see the color!

[teasha]

I looked quick and couldn't find the pics, I will look later when I feel better. Good luck.

[Safin]

Thanks Teasha for ur reply .. . what do mean" feel better", are u sick ? hope and pray to God for ur wellbeing and happiness.

Some of the wonderfull pictures are as follows:
My young parents doing wondurful job, they r very healthy, loveble and would say Best parents.

Lovely parents:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08748.jpg,

First Little Cute Baby:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08716.jpg

2nd Cute Baby:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08726.jpg

3rd cute Baby:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08759.jpg

4th Cute Baby:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08779.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08782.jpg

[Renae.]

Oh gosh... I couldnt bring myself to "shake" the eggs.
:( Thats sounds horrible.

I have to agree. Anyone who says that makes me sick to my stomach.. :rolleyes:

[Vickie]

My opinion on breeding any animal is this; if you have to ask questions, you're not ready to do it. Every step of the process should be researched from beginning to end, and, if possible, experienced elsewhere before attempting to do it yourself. So much can go wrong at this point.

Maybe nothing will happen. But if something does you will have to live with it.

I once bought a pregnant hamster (I was a kid and didn't know she was pregnant). When she gave birth the day after I got her, I was in shock, but I was determined to do my best. There was no point in trying. The stress of a new environment caused the first time mother to turn on her babies before my eyes. I was not ready to handle that image, nor was I in any way prepared to care for a hamster AND her young. The hamster sensed this and was simply reacting to her environment, but since then, I cannot look at hamsters the same way.

You are also risking a lot, breeding budgies without thorough research. I pray all goes well for you, but you should know, this has not been the best decision. Six babies for budgies only six months old to look after is quite a strain. I just hope it doesn't turn out as badly as my first venture into raising baby animals.

What made you decide you wanted to get 8 young budgies and breed them? Just curious! ;)

[Safin]

Thanks dear vDavis for ur avisable mail. Its ture that i don't have privious experiance and my birds are very young ( bcs live inside the cage) But sometimes even if u do have 20 yrs of experiance but don't care that much abt the birds /or don't have enough time/or not deep thinker / or not emotional / or not understand the phychology of the birds / or careless then our 20/ 100 yrs of experiance doesn't mean anything .... 2nd ly its true that my birds r only 6 month old but i have seen they r very healthy, charming, flying, kissing, preeing, mating same as if they were in the open environment .... when i put next boxes they were like crazy /and very happy but most of the forum members told me not to breed in this young age then i rmoved those boxes but have seen they couple of eggs on the floor nex day / day after , it shocked me and decided i would go with the Nature , Nature makes them to servibe, its kind fo internal instinct ... i observed very carefully, all of them r very healthy and very kin to get Baby i have put those boxes again and now all of them have full of Eggs / and cute lovely Baby .... of course some problem arises, i observe them/think minutely and try to solve those problem and its going very smooth so far .....i am learing so many things evey day but so far everything is under control by the way i do have 16 birds Not 8,
I would post more pictures but don't want to disturb much right now bcs they don't like / want when i take off their nest box take pic ....... if u look at the babies picture anyone can tell that my so called Young Birds are taking care their offspring very positively/pationately / .....we should belive in God / Nature together with our dedication/ love/hard work .
Thanks again for ur very kind post, ..... i hate this Robotic, materialistic society... Lets Love Nature and its Surrunding and make it more Green.

[ETAHoffman]

You are very lucky it has turned out as well as it has....so far. As has been mentioned so many times before, the birds are much too young to breed at this point. True, they CAN breed, and WILL breed if given the opportunity. But, you must realize that, even though they look healthy and are apparently doing well right now, breeding and producing babies as such a young age is placing a terrible strain on their bodies. And, just because the first time all has gone well, that is no assurance it will continue so.

Do yourself a BIG favor..... As soon as these babies are weaned, remove all nest boxes. Discard any new eggs and give the birds a long rest. They, the parents, are not fully developed yet, themselves, and the strain of a second clutch will be even much greater than the strain of the first.

Go to the breeding section of this site and read as much as you can. Get books. Read everything you can get your hands on. Yes, it is possible to simply put up nest boxes and the birds will reproduce but that is not responsible management. I'm sure you want the best for your birds. The more you read and learn, the better you'll be able to take care of them...breeding or not.

Good luck.

[Safin]

First Pair with 6 Eggs .... 5 hatched already, one more to go..
Folloing picture is the Parents .... i don't know their Mutation , could be tell me what might be the color of the chicks ??
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08777.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08704.jpg

[Safin]

Second Pair aslo laid 6 eggs ... 5 already hatched ... 1 more to go ...
Folling is the 2nd pair picture .... would u please tell me what might be the color of the chicks??
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08748.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08754.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08782.jpg

[Safin]

some people are Jealous on me becase all of my lovely Budgies and their cute babies are doing fine ??? all the Eggs fertile & hatched without any problems ???

[Safin]

Anyway, some of the lovely cute babies with their good Parents:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08799.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08790-1.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08790.jpg

[helenvee]

some people are Jealous on me becase all of my lovely Budgies and their cute babies are doing fine ??? all the Eggs fertile & hatched without any problems ???

We are not jeleous, we are trying to give you good strong advise and information. I thought you only kept one 6 month old pair with eggs? Obviously there is more. Your choice of nestbox is a bit odd aswell. Are they flower pot plants? They might become very hard to clean as the babies get older and they start pooping a lot.

[ETAHoffman]

"some people are Jealous on me becase all of my lovely Budgies "

You are so wrong here. We are concerned for your birds and don't want to see you have undue problems. If our concern for the health and well being of your birds bothers you, then, I'm sorry but you asked for our advise and you've been given a lot of very good advise here. Again, the advise is given in hopes that you will have success with your endeavor.

Even though I've been breeding birds for over 50 years, I've still learned quite a few things here. It's never too late to learn....nor too early.

[Safin]

Dear Friends,
Thanks for your advice/suggestion.
Actually its Not a Flower Pot, its specially made for Love Bird and Budgie with clay/mud ….. I have posted some of the pictures of the pot, I am sure your curiosity would be gone seeing those different pictures …… I can put hand easily inside the pot so its not difficult to clean ………. You know that its my first time having and breeding those lovely birds , I was also curious about the pot mainly thinking about the mess of the little babies puuuuu would be liquid nasty mess BUT I am surprised that all the pots are very dry, babies excretion become like a small pieces of chalk powder !!!
Following pictures are the babies of 2 Pairs with their Parents……. First one has 5 Babies ( Older baby 12 days) , Second one has 6 Babies ( Older one 9 days) …. I don’t know the Mutation of the birds , …… would anyone can tell what would be the colour of the cute babies ? Can’t wait to see the Colour of the babies …
Second pair already started mating again !!!! I am really surprised, how could that much energy/ enthusiasm still have those young birds BUT i am not going to continue breeding ….. will take off all the nest boxes as soon as babies are self sufficient and wait for another 6 Months because all of you strongly advised/suggested for the sake of the Birds.
Thanks all for your valuable suggestion.

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[Safin]

Mom /Dad with 6 Lovely Babies (10 Days to ...3 days):
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[Safin]

Mom/Dad with 5 Lovely Babies ( 13 Days to 5 Days ):

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08820.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08819.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08822.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08748.jpg

[teasha]

[quote]Second pair already started mating again !!!! I am really surprised, how could that much energy/ enthusiasm still have those young birds BUT i am not going to continue breeding ….. will take off all the nest boxes as soon as babies are self sufficient and wait for another 6 Months because all of you strongly advised/suggested for the sake of the Birds.[quote]

Tried quoting above and it didn't work, sorry.
I am so glad to hear this, your birds will thank you for this! And with the large clutches they need the rest.


You ask about colors and knowone has responded and I am Not by any means an expert, but I do know if you pair a green with anything you end up with all green babies UNLESS the green is split for blue.

[miss parakeet]

chicks are looking good :)

[helenvee]

Chicks are looking healthy :) Good thing you wont continue a 2nd clutch. Much too exhausting when your first clutch is 6 & 5. Hope you have enough room in your cage/avairy for all 11 newbies to be out in about a month :P

[Safin]

Thanks all for the reply ........ why Pictures are too small ? how could i enlarge them ?
Dear Helenvee, its not only 11 babies, i do have another 5 Pairs with full of eggs ( 3 - 5 eggs in each pair ) ...hahahahahaha ....... my aviary would be full of little cute colorful Butterfly, ful of joy But its true that it would be too much in small aviary .... if you were near me, i would definitely have presented some of the little stars.
Thanks again all for the reply.

[Safin]

Dear Helenvee,
Thanks for ur reply .. you were curious about the nest box, asking whether its flower pot plant or what ?
I have explained details with the picture, hope it would be clear with you. That posting is on the page #4 , I think you have missed that.
Also I on page#5 posted couple of pictures asking about the color / mutation of the little birds but haven’t got any reply from anyone..i am very eager to know/see the color of the little stars.
Note: i tried to post couple of more pictures today But photobucket couldn't allow me to upload more pictures ( only 11MB used..2% only ) is there any other website where i can up/down load pictures ???

[teasha]

Actually I did tell you two green birds paired together will produce all green babies unless one parent is split for blue then you will get green and some blue.

[helenvee]

Mom/Dad with 5 Lovely Babies ( 13 Days to 5 Days ):

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08820.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08819.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08822.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08748.jpg

I may be wrong but these two here look like opaline yf2 grey hen and the cock looks like a light green cock

other two above look like a light green opaline hen? (cant tell which is hen or the cock from your photo so I'm guessing) and the cock looks like a normal green.

You'll just get mixtures of green babies some being opalines and split.

[Safin]

Some more pictures of the 5 Lovely babies ( pair#1)
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08828.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08827.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08826.jpg
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08824.jpg

[Safin]

"some people are Jealous on me becase all of my lovely Budgies and their cute babies are doing fine ??? all the Eggs fertile & hatched without any problems ???" .... i am sure now because i have uptated with lovely cute babies Picture BUT nobody replied , nobody even say a simple word, " what a cute Baby "

[KrisCee]

Safin, you must understand that we all live in different zones :) The members in America and Canada are most likely sleeping now. Don't take it to heart if people don't reply straight away :)

You have been blessed with many budgie chicks :)

[Safin]

very sad, very sad .... One of the best Male escaped from the aviary this morning when i was giving food to them .... the Pair laid 5 Eggs, 2 already hatched, 3 eggs r there ... this pair was the best among the 8 pairs of Bird , anyway, what should i do with the baby and the eggs ? definitely Mom can't handle alone .......i already shifted 3 eggs to different pairs and kept the 2 babies ........ can/will the Mom take care those 2 babies ( 5 & 3 days old) ? Expert comment please. .. i am so much upset, today is holiday here; had a very important task but i cancelled all. We shouldn't Love too much to anything ( Human, Nature, Birds, animals )

[helenvee]

Mum should be fine. keep millet spray in the nest for her so she doesn't need to come out that often. could you foster the babies off to another pair?

No one here is jealous of you. Most of us have gone through the breeding process before. Like Kareema said, we all live in different time zones and sometimes posts get missed but not intentionally.

[Renae.]

I love wittle babies! they're soooooo cute - congrats. :)

[Jimm-V]

Thanks everyone for sharing valuable suggestion and advice. I thought its like Nature where birds mates and breeds whenever they feel to. Anyway, you do have so much experience about the cage birds, know what should or shouldn’t. I appreciate your advice & suggestion. I would take off all the nest boxes except one where already 3 eggs laid one week ago. What i should do about the eggs of other pair, is it wise to put those with 3 eggs? I would wait another 4/5 months and watch the One pair which are allowed to be breed.
Thanks again for your valuable advice;

09Oct2009 one pair to breed only and not 8 pairs

very sad, very sad .... One of the best Male escaped from the aviary this morning when i was giving food to them .... the Pair laid 5 Eggs, 2 already hatched, 3 eggs r there ... this pair was the best among the 8 pairs of Bird , anyway, what should i do with the baby and the eggs ? definitely Mom can't handle alone .......i already shifted 3 eggs to different pairs and kept the 2 babies ........ can/will the Mom take care those 2 babies ( 5 & 3 days old) ? Expert comment please. .. i am so much upset, today is holiday here; had a very important task but i cancelled all. We shouldn't Love too much to anything ( Human, Nature, Birds, animals )

Today, 8 pairs still breeding at 6 months of age which is way too young for breeding.

Safin, what is going on ?

[helenvee]

09Oct2009 one pair to breed only and not 8 pairs



Today, 8 pairs still breeding at 6 months of age which is way too young for breeding.

Safin, what is going on ?

I agree, I thought you were only breeding one pair aswell but one turned into two and two turned into eight...

[Safin]

Dear Jimm-V , everyting is going fine .... Yes, i have decided to keep all the pairs for breeding, you can read all my posts and would find out why ? yes its 8 pair full of Eggs and babies , great environment, Me and my birds r also enjoying the new world with lots of colorfull cute Butterfly.
Dear Helenvee, regarding the lonely Mom with 2 Babies + 3 unhatched Eggs : 3 Eggs distributed to 3 different pairs with their eggs and the rest 2 Babies i kept with the Lonely Mom, she is ok now, doing fine with her 2 babies.

[Budgiebreeder11]

Congrats on the chicks. They look lovely. I can't wait to see what they look like when they are all grown up.

[teasha]

I may be wrong but these two here look like opaline yf2 grey hen and the cock looks like a light green cock

other two above look like a light green opaline hen? (cant tell which is hen or the cock from your photo so I'm guessing) and the cock looks like a normal green.

You'll just get mixtures of green babies some being opalines and split.

My bad I meant the greens he posted.

[SusanBudgies]

some people are Jealous on me becase all of my lovely Budgies and their cute babies are doing fine ??? all the Eggs fertile & hatched without any problems ???I'm neither jealous nor impressed that you have produced chicks from 8 pairs of 6-month-old budgies when you have been advised that breeding those juveniles can harm their health. I'm also disappointed that you come here to ask advice and then insult us when we do not compliment you that the parents and chicks are alive despite your irresponsible decision to breed the parents (who may be suffering internally). This is why I gave this thread a one-star rating to denote a "terrible" thread.

[DansTheGreat]

( Do not take any self-hurt from what i am about to say, if there is some, it is unintentional)


I have read this whole thing twice now and I understand now . If you are a first time breeder, usually you research as much as possible BEFORE you breed, but it looks like you have done the complete opposite. You were asking a lot of questions that should be known EVEN if you are breeding budgies for the FIRST time...
Some advice, and I'm positive it has already been given to you over the course of this thread;

1: Use proper grammar, Put all the information you have about what the post is about at the beginning ( I dont even know how many pairs of budgies you are breeding because it was so hard to understand.. You Kept changing everything...)

2: Don't say people are jealous of you when they dont answer over a course of 5 hours... WAIT until acouple days, unless it is urgent, and in that case it wasn't , you just want to be payed attention to... You wanted people to tell you that your birds were pretty, or cute or say congratulations...

3: This is the BIGGESSTT !! ::: Research... RESEarch ... REASEARCH... THEN BREEED !
You didn't know that you shouldn't breed 6 month old budgies.. That is an indicator that you should research more..

Basically you should keep your budgies health and well being in front of your interests.

I hope you do awesome with your budgies and breeding them, and I hope they are kept healthy over the course of the breeding and decades after that.


Sincerely,

Danny ( Aka : DansTheGreat)

( Once again , Don't put your feelings into this, these are true points and observations towards your situation)

[SpickyDavies]

the babys are cute, i'm a bit lost to who and which you are breeding:S

but best of luck


maybe some photos of each pair will help us

[Safin]

[B][/Dear THE Great Canadian Mr.Dans,
No, I won’t take any self-hurt on your comment because I don’t understand your proper Grammar !!!
B]

[budgiebabe]

Safan,

All of us at talk budgies all live in different areas and time zones.

I do think that your babies are cute. But i do not wish to post a thread about it because i feel you have been unfair to other members by saying "we're jeaous".
This isn't the case. Like dansthegreat said we're all in different time zones. I'm sure you cannot expect us to stay up at 2am (our time) to say your budgie family are "cute" and "wish you good luck". I'm sorry but i'm not doing that for any one. Not even in my own time zone.

I do hope your budgie family do brillantly, but i do hope, not matter "how hard the pill is to swallow" please at least LISTEN to what the other members have to say. Some member are very experienced breeders with many happy, healthy years breeding. I'm a first time breeder myself, but i know research is the most important thing to do. I bet you do research everyday. Like, where to buy your food shopping which will be cheaper. That is very simple research.

Don't take it personally what i have said. But i, for one,wants to keep this forum a hapy and friendly one.

[Safin]

Thanks dear SpickyDavies..... all the pictures are belong to 2 Pairs within 8 pairs ... i haven't posted others because its very difficult to take pictures and also don't want to disturb them.

Pair#1 & their cute Babies:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08852.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08844.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08832.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08842.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08836.jpg

[Safin]

Pari#2 & their Cute Babies:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08704.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08854.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08833.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08856.jpg

[DansTheGreat]

Hi Safin,

So , It looks like you did take self hurt..

For one, it looks like you made fun of me being Canadian.. It was just the way you worded it or maybe just because you added that i am Canadian.. this wasnt essential in replying to me, you could have just said that i wont take any self hurt....

And second, I had exquisite grammar.. So how could you not understand ?

Once again you have confused me ..

[pal0m1n0]

I am chuckling over this, clearly Safin's english isn't as good as we would like, so it takes more effort on our part and we need to add a healthy dose of salt. Certain idioms and ways of expression may be just fine in one culture and/ or not translate well and vice versa. Also Safin may be somewhat inexperienced with forums and not thought to consider time zones.

Safin, threads do get lost. If you look you will find a number of threads with no response. It isn't possible to read every post that shows up or even respond to all that are read. Please be patient with us.

[TheMelissas]

Honestly, I don't think it's fair or relevant to comment on her grammar. How well could you express yourself in her native language? I think her comment to you, Dan, was facetious; or at least, that's how I read it.

I'm surprised more people aren't commenting on the fact that 8 pairs of extremely young budgies are being bred, despite claims that advice here against it was being taken.

[Jimm-V]

Dear Jimm-V , everyting is going fine .... Yes, i have decided to keep all the pairs for breeding, you can read all my posts and would find out why ? yes its 8 pair full of Eggs and babies , great environment, Me and my birds r also enjoying the new world with lots of colorfull cute Butterfly.

How much calcium your young breeding pairs are getting ? Do make sure cuttlebones are plenty around the aviary and also mineral blocks/ grit mixed with grounded eggshells.

The young parents may drop dead overnight if calcium is insufficient and nutritious food must be abundant to replenish loss food from the parents feeding the baby chicks.

Since you have already continued with 8 pairs, the best you can do is to look after the health of the parents. By the way, are you breeding for pleasure or breeding for sale ?

Hope for the best for you.

[Safin]

Thanks dear Jimm-V,......Of course for pleasure. I love to see lots of different color of beautiful little lovely birds flying in the aviary; actually those are for my beloved Mom who is around 75 yrs old having Diabetics & High Blood pressure. She sits on the balcony and watches those beautiful birds, their activities and feels happy

[KrisCee]

I have a question :) I was reading in a budgie book a couple of days ago that budgies are sexually mature at around 4 months but that it's better not to breed until they're at least 11 months old. Why is that? Are they still growing? Would that be a bit like a young girl of 14 years old having a baby? Sorry to sound ignorant but I won't know if I don't ask :) The book is called 'Parakeets' by Annette Wolter.

[tapu06]

Hi safin bhai,

This is very nice to see all the cute babies of your budgee. I will visit you place soon. you are the most luckiest person i have seen to have five chicks from a single pair. please take care of the health of the parents. when the chicks will grow up take the nest box away and give them a break to gain their lost health.

[Safin]

Thanks dear Tapu bhai,
You are most welcome. I would be very glad if you visit me.

Take care,

Safin

Note: Brother Tapu, its not 5 chicks , i do have 6 chicks in one Pair and 5 chicks in another pair ( u can see the pictures) ..... and another 2 pairs also have 6 and 5 Babies each ( 8 days old, haven't taken picture yet)

[DansTheGreat]

Honestly, I don't think it's fair or relevant to comment on her grammar. How well could you express yourself in her native language? I think her comment to you, Dan, was facetious; or at least, that's how I read it.


You are totally right, and i didnt mean to do it.
My apologies Safin, i was totally tired during the night in which i wrote it. But again i said not to take it personally so ..

Also Themelissas ; Alot of people already commented on the six month old babies .. But Safin decided to continue .

[Safin]

Thanks all for your comment/ advice/kindness.
I am extremely sorry if any of my word hurt you. As a new Budgie owner / breeder everyday I am learning something from this forum and also getting real practical experience from my lovely Birds.
I think it’s the place for learning, get to know each other and make friendship because members are from all over the world.

Note: Medical science also keeps changing …. Some medicine, belief, thoughts which was proven to be Positive now seems Negative, so there is nothing ultimate 100% right / accurate except 1 + 1 = 2. and of course The Supreme power ( i am a believer).

[Jimm-V]

Thanks dear Jimm-V,......Of course for pleasure. I love to see lots of different color of beautiful little lovely birds flying in the aviary; actually those are for my beloved Mom who is around 75 yrs old having Diabetics & High Blood pressure. She sits on the balcony and watches those beautiful birds, their activities and feels happy

Good to know you are a filial son who believe in therapuetic effects of budgies keeping for your mum. Hope your mum's health gets better from watching the budgies at the balcony.

[Safin]

First time posted Pair#3 and Pair#4 also grown babies of Pair#1 & 2:

5 lovely chicks of Pair#1 ...older one is 21 days:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08884.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08883.jpg
6 lovely chicks of Pair#2 ... older one is around 17 days old:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08874.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08877.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08873.jpg
6 Lovely chicks of Pair#3 ... older one is 9 days old: *** This pair has 2 Male, 1 Female!
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08863.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08862.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08860.jpg
Pair#4 ... 4 cute chicks & one fertile egg ...older one is 6 days old:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08865.jpg

[Budgiebreeder11]

Wow look at them. Congrats on all of the chicks. Are you thinking of selling them or keeping them?

[Safin]

Thanks dear Bugiebreeder11, I would definitely keep these lovely babies. First time I am having Budgies and also this is my first breeding experience. Everyday I am learning something new, last 4 months I haven’t gone for a long trip, I am with them every single days
Knowing their habit, character, liking, some strange behavior, food selection, their mood and finally the breeding condition …. So much to learn, very hard work but at the end it’s kind of discovering a fully new world which makes full of joy, proud and strengthen my self-belief. Probably I would get around 25 cute babies plus another 16 (parents) totaling of 41 lovely colorful Budgies, I can’t imagine the beauty of those colorful flocks in my aviary after 3 to 4 weeks. Specially my Mom would be very happy.
After this batch I would wait another 4/5 months to take them rest, then the 2nd batch definitely would consider for selling, lets see.
Thanks again for your enquiry.

[helenvee]

Aww look at them all! Looks like you have some albinos and lutinos in there. Very lucky.
What are you going to do with all the babies when they start leaving the nest? Jeez your going to have to expand the aviary if you have a small one.

I'm happy its working out for you though.
(this doesnt mean I agree with what you are still doing is right)
Just don't breed these babies untill they are at least 12months old...

[Safin]

[/BHi dear friends,
How are you guys? Hope all are fine with the family, job and beautiful Birds
I was very busy couple of days therefore, couldn’t update the picture of my beautiful babies. All the chicks are growing too fast, Babies of Pair#1 and #2 already came out from the nest box, #3, #4, #5, #6 are growing too fast.
]
[B]5 beautiful Babies of Pair#1:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08919.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08912.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08907.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08921.jpg

[Safin]

6 Beautiful babies of Pair#2:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08924.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08925.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08914.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08906.jpg

[Safin]

2 Babies of Pair#3 ( Father escaped so 3 eggs out of 5 put in 3 different nest boxes
30 Days old ...
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08926.jpg

Pair#4 .. 5 Babies ....26 Days old:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08936.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08933.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08935.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08934.jpg

[Safin]

Pair#5 ... 5 Babies ... 23 Days old;
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08928.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08929.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08928.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08931.jpg

[Safin]

Pair#6 ... 6 Eggs, 5 Hatched...15 Days Old:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08941.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08940.jpghttp://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab38/safin_2009/th_DSC08939.jpg

[the Julles]

Man, that's a lot of babies to keep up with! They're all very pretty.

[helenvee]

Your so lucky to get albinos and lutinos. They all look great.

[Caspir]

Lovely babies. Nice variety of color. :)

[Safin]

Thanks all ... if you were near my home, i would have invited all of you a Tea party on my Balcony full of beautiful colorful lovely Butterfly.Thanks again for your valuable suggestion, comment and real practical day to day updated stories

[kimhosken]

wow lovely babies