I might breed tiki and mika

[Tiki<3Polly]

not sure if they will mate especially since tiki already lost a mate :( they are both over a year old ( more like14 months) and i want to have baby chicks. i know how to hand feed and i will try to do my best. i will keep you guys updated.

[BirdieBabi]

Yay I'm glad your going at it again. I hope nothing happens this time. I would be devestaded!

I can't wait to see what happens

[Tiki<3Polly]

i think i will in the spring, and now i will just let them bond, or if they dont breed, then i will try with baby and tiki in 2008

[zarrion101]

Goodluck :)

[Bea]

and i want to have baby chicks.
So go visit a breeder and ask to see theirs. That is not a reason to breed.

[Tiki<3Polly]

there are no breeders by me, and i want more bugdies but i dcant have any more birds , only if they breed!

[Bea]

Why can't you have any more budgies? What happens when the babies grow up? If you're not even allow one more budgie from a pet store why would you be allowed up to 6 or 7 more just because your budgies bred? What happens if your hen gets egg bound and dies? If she plucks the babies? If the babies get splay legs? What then, do you have the money for potentially expensive vet treatment? Is there even an avian vet near where you live?

[BirdieBabi]

There's a lot of reasons why she couldn't do that. It could be a financial issue, a problem that theymight have with the store, or limited stores around her or even something else. I'm not saying that any of you are wrong but I just say that if she is prepared and imformed then she should give it a go

[Bea]

Breeding isn't something to jump into just because. If it's a financial issue then breeding is definitely not a good idea, that would be stupid! "Oh, i can't afford to BUY another budgie but i can afford to feed breeding parents, and then feed all the cute little babies!" Anyway, she didn't say there was nowhere to buy them, she specifically said she wanted baby budgies and
and i want more bugdies but i dcant have any more birds , only if they breed!
she CAN'T have more birds...unless they breed? Makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:

[BirdieBabi]

there are no breeders by me

She did say there were no availabilty of parakeets.. And maybe she wanted a parakeet that was hand fed. You never know;)

I was thinking of the finacial issue after I posted it. Did seem kind of weird...but.................

[Bea]

Breeding is still not something to be done so she can get a hand reared baby. And what about all the babies that she doesn't want as a hand reared pet? I still want to know why she CAN'T aquire ONE single budgie (as she said she wasn't allowed) but she can breed SEVERAL more.

[Tiki<3Polly]

thank you birdiebabi. i tried breeding once, and my female got eggbound. i know how to handfeed, and i will do it in the spring or summer (probably in the summer) and the thing is that i really want to experiance for once in my life how it feels to have baby chicks that i can see develop from an egg to an adult budgie. i was supposed to hand raise a baby macaw this summer so i did tons of research. i want to become a breeder and not only for budgies but for all kinds of birds. By age 30 i want to have my own bird centre and be an avian vet. starting to breed again is a hard choice for me since i did lose a loved one because i was in school. thats why i would breed in the summer after i get back from poland. Birds are my life since about a year and a half ago. i just want to breed keets because i think that the gift of life is so amazing that i really just well....idk its just that i think it would be amazing to expieriance something like that.... i have done so so so much research on breeding and i think that from all the research that i have now i will know not to make a simple mistake

( im sorry if it sounds harsh, i am not trying to be mean.... i was just rambling on and i am not trying to make it sound harsh.....i just wanted to clear that up so noone thought i was being harsh.)

-Angelica

[Bea]

I agree that seeing budgies go from egg to adult is amazing. That is why it appeals to me also. But if you CAN'T get anymore birds, how come you can breed lots more? It just doesn't make sense to me. What will you do with the babies? Do you have a very large cage that will happily accomodate ALL the babies as well as your 4 current budgies? And do you have the money to take them to the avian vet should the need arise? To pay for all the handrearing mix you'll go through if you do indeed handrear the babies.

[Tiki<3Polly]

yes i already made sure i had everything
i do have everything planned

[Bea]

You didn't explain why you can breed heaps and not buy one?

[redgirl]

All the reasons Bea has mentioned is why I am determined not to breed mine, I wouldn't be able to keep all of the babies unless I had an aviary which I will not be getting till next summer, then I may think about breeding but I wouldn't breed without having an outdoor aviary. I would be worried too if my hen died or any of the babies had splayed legs xx

[Dave]

I sense things are starting to tense up in this thread. Let's try not to get too angry at each other, and let's all calm down before anyone starts getting attacked any more. :)

[Tiki<3Polly]

i want more budgies, but my dad wont let me get any more unless i breed.....

also not to be mean or anything but, u are telling everyone not to breed, when you are breeding yourself!
just trying to make a point!!!:D

[Bea]

And i know full well that i can KEEP all babies without overcrowding my aviary, i know that if they need it myself and my dad can race them to the vet AND i don't have limitations put on me by my parents as to how many budgies i can GET so i'm not using breeding as a way to get more budgies. I'm not saying don't BREED, i'm saying don't breed IRRESPONSIBLY. By breeding you are potentially risking the health of the breeding parents (as you know from the hen you lost) and then you're bringing many new lives into the world which will all need good safe homes and they might need vet care. I'm not sure how old you are but if you're still in school what if they need handrearing, can you come home every couple of hours to keep them fed?

I take it your dad also has a desire to see baby budgies, if he wont let you just buy any more? :rolleyes: There is just so many people already breeding just because they have a boy and girl budgie, sometimes it gets to me when someone else comes along and says, "i wanna see cute little babies, shall i add a nest box?" I seriously only have the best interest of the future budgies in mind. What if your hen has a particularly large clutch (of say 7 - it's not uncommon), will you have space for all the babies if you can't find them GOOD homes? Or will excess babies be sold to a "good" pet shop where their fate is out of your hands?

Sorry if i'm coming across too strong but it's something that i've become very passionate about, especially as i learn more. I used to be like many people here, just breeding when i wanted some cute little babies. Then i joined a great budgie forum for help weaning Blinkie from his parents and i just learnt and learnt and learnt and this is the first time i have bred in a long while, just because i know there are so many risks involved and i know that at the moment my situation would allow me to handrear if need be and that i would know what to do if something was to go wrong (egg binding, splay legs, plucking, etc). In fact this breeding time has already gone wrong with the illness and then death of my girl Tiki. But you know what? I've dealt with it, i removed the other breeding cage that had a new pair set up because i know not to breed in a potentially infected aviary. I can only hope that the parents with the eggs arent sick/going to get sick. If they do, like i said, i'm ready for them to see a vet and me to handrear the babies. It's something that MUST be thought through with all possible outcomes considered.

[Meghanxx4]

i agree bea, i mean even though i ahve never breed before(however hoping to breed in 2008) you should always think these things through. i mean i personally would NEVER give any budgies to a petstore just because i know how abd they treat the animals and stuff... i mean if i wanted to give a bird to a petshop.. i mean the bird would have more luck surviving if i just opend the window and let it fly away... thats how bad the petstores where i live are i know it sad and cruel.

you should always be prepared and be able to afford all the budgies. im gunna get an extra cage on hand incase one of the birds dont get along something so i can seperate them asoon as i see it... even if its just little travel cage for the time being then i could run up to the petshop asap and get a better cage.

the thing that worries me the most about breeding is if my hen gets eggbound.
i mean i do a avian vet like a 5 minute drive away but still. i know i dont know everything about breeding or like all i need to know about breeding now but i dont need to know about breeding now i mean i dont even have the birds yet im not breeding until 2008...... i got lots of time to research but im just starting to plan out stuff now and im sure it will be easier when i get the birds so i can see if any alreayd havea bond or anything...

beas not telling people not breed shes just saying to be fully prepared and stuff and not expect all the budgies to find homes i mean if you find homes for you budgies that good mind you then thats great just be preparyed if you dont. and like know the symptons of diseases and know what to when you budgies are sick.

you guys with aviarys are lucky where i live in canada its like so cold outside also we have like wild animals that would like attack the aviary and stuff ... there was family of bears living in my treehouse for like a week last year it was crazy.

anyway im blabbing on here as usuall so im gunna stop writing now.

[Bea]

Thank you! I'm glad you can see where i'm coming from. :) The main thing that concerned me was that she isn't allowed more budgies but that she can breed more, go figuire.

[keet/budgie luva]

i beg to differ, i can't buy no more budgies myself because my dad says i won't be spending no more money that i have, so agreed then i was planning on breeding soon so that i can produce more budgies sell them to people who i know cares about budgies i would never sell them to petstores they jsut sell them to any and any body thats there job you can't change that if i have to handrear thats what i have my brother for he is up for it too he is out of school he is studying for his avian exam next year so there is no way that you can out come on anybody like that everybody has there own way you just can't always have yours and if i get alot of budgie chicks thats why my dad is going to build me a larger aviary than the one i have my pair in now, so try to differ to my saying of my story.

[Bea]

But if you can spend money on more budgies how can you spend money on more food for budgies, more vet bills for budgies, more space for budgies, etc?

[BUUZBEE]

I can see what bea is saying (even though she is coming of kind of harsh, she is just passionate about it, as more people should!)
I have an aviary, in it i started with 4 pair. I chose to breed and to sell the babies. Fortunatly i have the aviary, because i now have 24, still have all the babies (excluding 2 that my sister has). I didnt have the heart to give up any of them. Now each year, if i choose to breed, i only breed one pair. But I have to room to keep them and the money to care for them.
I too am confused as to why your dad will only let you breed. Is this for educational purposes? Is this for your to learn how to do it for your future with birds? And do you have access to an avian vet should you need one?
I am glad to hear you have done some planning, as with the cages and feed etc.

[Donna]

I am passionate about the Lord (and wish everyone else were too) but I would never beat anyone over the head with fire and brimstone to get them to hear me.

I am glad that people want the best for their Budgies, but it seems that there has been way too much arguing going on lately over certain issues and to me it's killing the "spirit" of this forum. There needs to be a fine line where we give our opinion in a loving way and then leave things as they are. Arguing over issues is a real turn off and if I were a visitor, I would probably not come back if I saw bickering.

I think when we start questioning people and feel they need to explain their every move, then we've gone to far.

Please think before you post out of haste. It's not worth it.

Donna

[Bea]

I have been thinking. I think that careless breeding shouldn't be glossed over or encouraged so i don't think i should get in trouble. I don't think i've been harsh but i will never encourage someone to breed just because they want cute little babies.

Okay, wait, i thought of an example. What if this was a person with 2 dogs. She wanted another but wasn't allowed to buy one, she plans to breed instead. Just because budgies are so easy to breed doesn't mean it should be done for the hell of it. We're still talking about bringing new life into the world and i think we will all agree that in no species is this something to be done lightly.

[Meghanxx4]

i personally think that new born budgies are ugly my self im sorrey if this affends anyone but im just being honest so my reason for wanting to breed would definitly not because i want cute little budgies.

[bird_luver24]

Im Passionate of the Lord to Donna and Im the same exact way :)
I do think Bea is coming on a little strong but, I am also with her...Im VERY passionate about breeding to. I think bringing any life into the world whether human child or Animal should be something well thought out. These babies never asked to be brought into the world but, when they are...then they should get the best care possible & be happy!

I do plan to breed my Lovebird pair..But, only if I have the Financial mean and time to do so. It wont be for another 14-17 more months because they wont be old/Mature enough in my opinion till then but, I plan to have everything ready and all my financial means set. If I dont then they dont deserve to be bred. So many things can go wrong and that is someting I do not want to take the chance on!!
Just think everything out before breeding. You can do ALL the research in the world and things still go wrong that you arent prepared for.
Good Luck with your Decision!! :)

[Amy]

I agree Donna.

Basically, I agree with everyone. I think it's important that we listen to what other people have to say. Lots of perople can have different opinions about it, and I for one, think that we should only go ahead and breed if it is entirely necessary, or if my budgies decided to breed anyway.

[keet/budgie luva]

i totally agreee amy it's the keepers choice if anything happens it's not anybody elses fault exept for the keepers fault so bea i am sorry ok i will never try to jump in coversations again i don't buy there food and things like that my parents do

[Bea]

, and I for one, think that we should only go ahead and breed if it is entirely necessary, or if my budgies decided to breed anyway.
Riiiiight, cause i can see heaps of times when it would be NECESSARY to the budgies health and well being to breed.:rolleyes: I guess that's the same as how some dog people say a girl dog should have one litter before getting desexed cause it's better? :P And budgies will mate ofter if there is a boy and a girl and the mood strikes them. Doesn't mean eggs, doesn't mean babies and certainly is no reason to chuck in a nest box. Even budgies as young as 4 or 5 months old will sometimes breed - still going to go ahead because "they decided to breed anyway"? Seriously, that's the sort of breeding that budgie lovers, like everyone here, should be discouraging because that's the sort of breeding that results in health problems and an over population of budgies. But i can see i'm unlikely to get this through to people but i don't think i should be getting called harsh or out of line. I am being honest, irresponsible breeding should be sugar coated no more than it should be encouraged.

[redgirl]

Bea isn't harsh at all, she just gives her opinions and trys to give people great advice on something that she is very passionate about. Bea needs the big thumbs up because she helps so many people on this forum and I for one admire what she does for this forum. Sometimes different opinions can make it look like there is bickering going on when really it isn't, its just peoples differences on opinions. xxxx

[pal0m1n0]

Bea I am interested in your statement that mating behaviour doesn't necessarily mean eggs. Did I understand correctly? I hope you agree that in my case letting Budgie breed was a good thing to do since she had been laying so many eggs for over a year. I am relieved that there are only two chicks though because I don't think I would like to part with them.

[BUUZBEE]

redgirl, Im just saying if i were a newbie here asking for advice and i got the reply i would take it as harsh. I agree with her thoughts, & i know her & her opinions so i'm not offended in anyway, but someone that doesnt know her could be upset with the reply. thats all i meant.

Palomino, i think bea is talking about when they are immature, and well, dont quite to it right, lol. or either one can be steril too.
also, palomino, did you ever try replacing her eggs with fake one? i sent some to budgiekin for her hen that was "overly" productive, and she said it worked wonders for her.

[redgirl]

Sorry Buuzbee I didn't meen to make you feel bad, I know you wasn't been nasty and I understand what you are saying too:D

[pal0m1n0]

Her eggs seemed to dry out and keeping them wasn't a problem, so I would add them back when she started laying a new batch but it didn't seem to help, She didn't have a nest box and in the end spent a lot of time brooding a hanging beaded toy while sitting on her perch and sometimes she just sat in a brooding position. I was getting really worried that brooding the beads would hurt her skin. And she just didn't seem to get bored or tired of it. I tried taking the beads away and other strategies but in the end it seemed like letting her have a clutch was the thing to do. I think I will look into the hormone shots if this brood doesn't cure her of excessive egg laying. Oh and I forgot, she also spent a lot of her time looking for suitable spots and being chased by Squeeky.

[parakeetluverr]

Bea is trying to prove a point here, but she did kinda go over the top. There should be NO arguing on here. It's a given fact that everyone (well, mostly everyone,) is kind of upset on here.

There should be no arguing, like I said before, and we all respect everyone's opinion, even if we don't really agree on it.

[BirdieBabi]

In general, everyone shouldn't be argueing on who's right and wrong. This post was made from Tiki<3Polly to tell everyone that she was going to breed, and now it's a whole "discussment" on who is right. If you really have to say something, don't pressure it the person to say it until they tell you. I think bea was making a very good point but went a little overboard on how she was trying to get it out.

Plus, if someone is actually saying some advice to you that you might think is wrong about you, just accept it as a way that they were trying to help you not get in trouble and next time think about that message and you won't get it again.

I hope this post will never happen again because it was a big argument and it's no use doing it unless it was really a bad issue where the person was going to harm the budgie purposly.


There's no use arguing:argue:

[Bea]

Bea I am interested in your statement that mating behaviour doesn't necessarily mean eggs. Did I understand correctly? I hope you agree that in my case letting Budgie breed was a good thing to do since she had been laying so many eggs for over a year. I am relieved that there are only two chicks though because I don't think I would like to part with them.
Not at all, you seem to be going about it very responsibly and as we all know one of your babies needs a vet - you're taking it. That's something so many people wont do with budgies and expecially babies. I know of someone on another forum i go on who's budgie laid and ;aid and laid, she let her have a clutch....and she still lays and lays and lays.:eek: So you should watch out for that recurring problem.

To all complaining about the arguing, this is what makes a forum - differences of opinions. Such a large group of people can never have the same opinion and that's a good thing. We learn from others. This debate/discussion/argument whatever you wish to call it has actually remained a civil discussion, nobody has started name calling being rude. It's through "heated" discussions such as these that we can all learn more and maybe form new opinions. It's when you start to censor people and their opinions that people get offended. If i wasn't saying something that went against what a lot of people are doing and there for maybe making them feel a bit bad? Defensive? Well i don't think this would've become a heated discussion at all. But that's ok. In the end this is a forum and nobody can make anyone do or not do something. Tiki<3Polly came here to say she was breeding and asking advice, i gave my opinion and i fought for it. I can't read something along the lines of "want more budgies. can't buy will breed" and stay quiet. Now she has a choice, she can take advice given, research, make sure the time is right, etc or she can take the advice that suits her and is what she wanted to hear "go for it, have fun". That's out of my control but the thought of not being honest when something makes me so mad and in a way upset is worse than avoiding an "argument" as this has been labled. So sorry if i've offended people, that was not my intention, i don't go out of my way to cause trouble, i do go out of my way to tell the truth.

Redgirl - thanks so much, it's really nice to hear you think i'm helpful. :) *hugs*

[Meghanxx4]

Bea isn't harsh at all, she just gives her opinions and trys to give people great advice on something that she is very passionate about. Bea needs the big thumbs up because she helps so many people on this forum and I for one admire what she does for this forum. Sometimes different opinions can make it look like there is bickering going on when really it isn't, its just peoples differences on opinions.

i agree with that totally.

[Budgiekin]

also, palomino, did you ever try replacing her eggs with fake one? i sent some to budgiekin for her hen that was "overly" productive, and she said it worked wonders for her.

Yes this is true! My budgie hasn't laid an egg since I replaced her real eggs (infertile ones) with the fake ones! I can't thank Buuzbee enough for sending me those fakies since I could not find anyone who sold them locally! ;) Thanks again Buuzbee!! ;)

[BUUZBEE]

My pleasure, i'm so glad to hear they helped!

[Tiki<3Polly]

i havent been on in a while and i see this has gone a long way. by the way i am not breeding, and since i had baby and tiki in one cage, and tootsie and mika in the other....i decided to just leave it that way.....:(

[BUUZBEE]

probably a good choice for now.

[Amy]

i havent been on in a while and i see this has gone a long way. by the way i am not breeding, and since i had baby and tiki in one cage, and tootsie and mika in the other....i decided to just leave it that way.....:(

:rolleyes: :D All this fuss for nothing! :p

[softie]

Well, the thread seems to come to a stop but I just wanted to add my point of view of breeding because I am a new budgie owner and I am also interested in breeding in the future.

I am an experienced breeder. I have bred many reptiles including lizards, geckos, turtles, and snakes. I have bred tropical marine fish also, which is a completely different routine :P but anyways...

I know to my advantage that I am able to finance successfully and I have an avian vet a few blocks down. I am not certain that I will breed budgies, but I am interested in doing so. I am interested in learning more about them, their personality, behavior, and also the experience.

I have had my budgies for almost a month now and I am completely smitten by them. I still have so much more to learn and that is why I joined this forum. I am no where near as educated as many of the experienced keepers here.

I want so many more budgies heh they are so irrestible. But because I am new to them, I will hold myself back until I have more knowledge and confidence in them.

Also to Bea,
I completely understand where you are coming from. I must say that when I was in a reptiles forum (because of the breeding etc.) I would come across people who would breed turtles (and other reptiles, but using turtles as an example) just because "they were so much cuter when they were babies." I find this reason just unexcusable and ridiculous. And I told them exactly what I thought. Breeding animals for the wrong purposes really get to me because first, it is unnecessary as you have said, and also because of the dangers and health risks you are putting your animals into.

I am by you 100% because even if somebody says that it is being harsh, the reality is that you are passionate about your beliefs and you are preventing something that can go terribly wrong.

[softie]

okay well then what is a good reason to breed??? We do have enough budgies in this worls and if she can find happy permanent homes for all the babies in advance then what's the problem???

There is no solid reason to breed.
And your "have enough budgies in this world" could have been worded to "budgies are not endangered of becoming extinct" so that your point is clearer :)
And to my belief, the only "good" reason to breed an animal is if their species are slowly decreasing in population.

Breeding reptiles are a hobby of mine. I do not NEED to do it, but because I am responsible enough and accept the consequences, I do breed.
I breed because it is a hobby of mine and I have been successful at it. I breed because I am able to come up with the finance and supplies. I breed because I know what the responsibilites are and I am able to take that on.

I do not breed just because it's something to do. i do not breed just because i have a male and a female. I do not breed just because it would be "cool."

Like I have said before, I am not certain that I will breed my budgies but IF i do in the future, I know that I will be able to success it. How? By adding to my knowledge, knowing every factor, and waiting until I am confident enough to go to the next level.

[BUUZBEE]

As I have said before, I agree with Bea. I also think that a new member that has registered with this forum to get info on breeding and other tips could be put off by the harshness of the thread.

This site is here to help people with all their questions. If I were a new member asking the question and I got the replies that were posted, I would not be back.