Karma System Explained

[Dave]

The Karma system is basically used to grade other members' posts. Here's some guidelines about it:

You may only give out Karma 10 times in 24 hours.
You must give Karma to at least 5 other people before you can give to the same person again.
You can only give Karma to each post once.
You may give out positive or negative Karma.
You can give out Karma when you have less than 50 posts, but they won't count toward the other members' Karma counts.
Karma levels can go below 0.
Don't abuse the Karma system.
Now here's how the numbers work:

You gain 1 Rep Power (how many points you give out per click)

For every 365 days registered to the site
For every 2500 posts you make
For every 500 Karma points you get

[Mistyoriline]

This is a great system!

[Amy]

Yes it is!

[Dave]

It is, but it doesn't seem like people use it. Come on everyone! :D

[Amy]

I know Millie does, phew!

[Mistyoriline]

Ok so when I give feed back that's Karma?Or what do you press to give the quote karma?

[Amy]

No! Um, Dave, explain!

[Mistyoriline]

Amy can't you help me??

[Amy]

Well to give Karma (Like feedback) Click on the scales above a persons post and enter your comments and say whether you approve or dissapprove of someones post.

Does this help?

[Mistyoriline]

Thats what I thought...thanks so much

[Amy]

That's alright!

[Mistyoriline]

do you always post the last one ?

[Mistyoriline]

there should be rules against that

[Amy]

:S What? :S

[Freya]

Oh, I get it now! I like this system ^^

[Dave]

If you approve someone's post they'll get positive Karma. If you disapprove someone's post they'll get negative Karma. So be careful.

[Mistyoriline]

I totally understand thanks Dave:rolleyes:

[cheese burger]

i still dont get it rep thing :S

[Mistyoriline]

read it again maybe you will?

[Amy]

I think the rep is for refurring? I've refurred 4 people but only got 3 rep power, so I don't think it is, hmmm.

[Dave]

i still dont get it rep thing :S
If you find someone's post to be useful, or if you just really like someone's post, click the http://talkbudgies.com/images/steel/buttons/reputation.gif at the top of the post. Then you can either approve or disapprove of their post, and optionally send a message as well. Approval = positive Karma. Disapproval = negative Karma. The rep power is how many Karma points you give out at one time. For example, I give out 10 Karma points each time I approve/disapprove someone's post. But a new member might only give out 1 Karma point. There are several factors which determine the amount of Karma points you give out, also known as the rep power.

[Amy]

I give out 3 I think... Do I?

[Amy]

Oh yes I do. How come I do 3?

[Dave]

Like I said, there are several factors which determine how many Karma points you give out:

You gain 1 Rep Power (how many points you give out per click)

For every 365 days registered to the site
For every 1000 posts you make
For every 100 Karma points you getSo you made your first 1000 posts, which is one power, and you have your first 100 Karma points, which is another power. Plus, everyone starts out with one to begin with. So that totals three.

[Amy]

Oh right, I see, thanks Dave!

[Amy]

Dave, I've done 4000+ posts but haven't got anymore karma points since 2000. Help!

[Dave]

You don't get points for making posts, you get rep power, which is the number of Karma points you give out each time you give Karma to someone. Right now you have 5.

[Amy]

Ah, Thank you Dave. I understand now!

[Millie]

Do i have 1? i think soo!

[Amy]

Yes you do Millie!

[Donna]

Could someone please help me to understand how you get points and then tell me what the points are used for?

Also, what is Rep power and what is the purpose of that? The symbols for both of these items are shown in the upper right-hand corner of each post. I did try looking on this forum for the answers to my questions, but I haven't been able to find anything to explain it.

I also have a row of beige boxes with the word "warn" 0% just to the left of those boxes. That too, is located to the upper-right of the posts. For some reason, I don't see that on anyone elses posts, just mine. Everyone else has a yellow triangle to post a warning. I don't have any warning triangle.

Why would my post options be different from everyone elses???? Just curious. :S

Thanks,
Donna

[redgirl]

I want to know that too Donna.xx

[zarrion101]

Hi Donna and redgirl, below is something that may help and how you get them but I don't know if the administrators bother with this feature any more.

Karma points is a feature that allows a person to award and be awarded points for good forum postings.

Rep Power may mean member referrals but I'm not quite sure. Karma is used on many forums. :)

[zarrion101]

I just checked in my mod panel and it seems that only administrators can add reputation power. :)

(Thread moved to Site Related section) :)

[redgirl]

Thanks Zarrion.xx

[zarrion101]

Thanks Zarrion.xx

No problem, I think Kelly27 has more karma points it would be handy if that member post here about how they got them. :)

[redgirl]

Yer its worth asking her I guess hey...I dont really like posting threads I rather post to them..mine seem really pointless lol

[Dave]

About the warning bar: you can only see your own warning bar. You can't see other peoples' warning bars. Also, you can report their posts, but you can't report your own posts. That's what the triangle is.

As for the Karma system, anyone can use this. If you ever read a post you found really helpful, informal, etc., you can give that person Karma points. On the flip side, if you find a post offensive, disrepectful, etc., you can give that person negative Karma! To do all this, just click the http://www.talkbudgies.com/images/steel/buttons/reputation.gif, which is located right near the reporting triangle. I don't understand why it isn't used more here. It's a really great way to let people know you appreciate their work and it can be fun to see who gets the most Karma points. But it's up to you guys to start using it so we can have fun with it!

[redgirl]

Kool, thanks Dave x

[zarrion101]

That's explained a lot, thank you Dave. I'm sure a lot of people will find your post helpful.

[redgirl]

It has explained a lot..very useful thread

[Dave]

It has explained a lot..very useful thread
That would be the proper time to use the Karma system. :P

[zarrion101]

That would be the proper time to use the Karma system. :P

I know I did. ;)

[Donna]

Hello Again,

I think I am finally getting most of what you are saying about the points and rep power but I still need a little clarification.

Dave, (Or ANYONE who knows) are you saying that in order to give someone points for doing a great job etc. we can give that person points by clicking on the reputation icon located at the top right corner of the posting box? And if we do, does the point just automatically advance and go to the next number where it says "Points?"

Also, you said that if we want to take away from someone, (for a negative reason) we should click on something different. I'm not completely clear on what you mean with that one, but think you said to click on the word, "Karma." Will I have to do anything more than click on the reputation icon or the Karma word to vote, or is that it?

Sorry if I don't sound too bright, but I am not up on all of this and this is the very first forum I've ever visited, so this is completely foreign to me. :S

ONE LAST QUESTION: Do you think the explanation for points, reputation, and Karma could be posted as a permanent subject (Under the rules or somewhere)so that new members can refer to it for guidance? That's probably why people haven't been voting for others is because they haven't understood how to do it.

Thanks everyone for answering me the first time. . . And thanks in advance for those answering me the 2nd time!!!! :D

Have a great day!

Donna

[zarrion101]

Donna I will make this a sticky! :)

[Amy]

I use the karma system a few times a month, whenever someone has really helped someone, or helped me. I think it's such a good system and people should use it more!

[Dave]

Dave, (Or ANYONE who knows) are you saying that in order to give someone points for doing a great job etc. we can give that person points by clicking on the reputation icon located at the top right corner of the posting box? And if we do, does the point just automatically advance and go to the next number where it says "Points?"
No, the points aren't automatically added. Clicking that button will take you to the page where you can choose to add positive or negative Karma.


Also, you said that if we want to take away from someone, (for a negative reason) we should click on something different. I'm not completely clear on what you mean with that one, but think you said to click on the word, "Karma." Will I have to do anything more than click on the reputation icon or the Karma word to vote, or is that it?
You click on the same button to give negative Karma, When you click it, you're given the option to give positive or negative Karma points.

[zarrion101]

I use the karma system a few times a month, whenever someone has really helped someone, or helped me. I think it's such a good system and people should use it more!

I agree and will use it more! :)

[Donna]

Thanks Zarrion for being so dilligent in making a sticky that will help others in the future.

And thanks Dave for answering my questions by explaining further. I think I finally have it figured out.

Hopefully, others will start using the rep points and Karma system more, now that it's been introduced once again.

Perhaps the sticky could be placed right below the rules in the forum so that new member will be totally aware of this from the beginning. That way, the system will be used more because people will be familiar with how the symbols work when they first become members.

Just a thought! ;)

Thanks,
Donna

[zarrion101]

I will see what I can do Donna :)

[redgirl]

I have started to use it a lot now too.

[zarrion101]

Thank you to who ever said I was a great moderator. :D

[redgirl]

Where can you see what people have said about you.xx

[zarrion101]

Go to User CP and scroll right down and you should see recent reputation. :)

[redgirl]

Kool, I didnt know people could see what you say about them lol

[Dave]

Perhaps the sticky could be placed right below the rules in the forum so that new member will be totally aware of this from the beginning. That way, the system will be used more because people will be familiar with how the symbols work when they first become members.
I'm not sure about that. Maybe I'll include a link or something though in the rules. Also, this is assuming everyone reads the rules (which they should) ;) .

[zarrion101]

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I'm not sure about that. Maybe I'll include a link or something though in the rules. Also, this is assuming everyone reads the rules (which they should) ;) .

That's sounds ok Dave. It's a sticky in site related and maybe a link in the rules. :)

[Kelly27]

No problem, I think Kelly27 has more karma points it would be handy if that member post here about how they got them. :)

I only have 12 karma points and i've no idea how i got them lol. I noticed a couple of people had awarded me points for the "Corrupt a Wish" game but that was it ;) .
Kelly
xXx :) :D

[zarrion101]

I only have 12 karma points and i've no idea how i got them lol. I noticed a couple of people had awarded me points for the "Corrupt a Wish" game but that was it ;) .
Kelly
xXx :) :D

I believe you have 13 now Kelly27. I just thought you might have known since I noticed you had higher karma than me. :D

[Kelly27]

Thanks Zarrion, what a lovely comment you've left me! I think your a fab Super Moderator! ;)
Kelly
xXx ;) :D

[zarrion101]

Thanks Zarrion, what a lovely comment you've left me! I think your a fab Super Moderator! ;)
Kelly
xXx ;) :D

My pleasure Kelly27 and thanks for the Karma. :D

[Kelly27]

Your worth it hun ;).
Kelly
xXx ;) :D

[zarrion101]

Your worth it hun ;).
Kelly
xXx ;) :D

Aw, thanks! :)

[Meghanxx4]

wow ive been wondering what the karma points wher for the longest time i knew wut the rep wasd but ya. I finally figured it out thaks to you guys. ill start using it.

[zarrion101]

Glad you found this thread useful :)

[pal0m1n0]

I tried to give Karma points to someone but was given a message that I had to give someone else Karma points first. I don't recall ever giving our Karma points yet? So I didn't get an opportunity to specify good or bad Karma or make a comment.

So no one can actually give another person rep points only Karma?

[zarrion101]

This button: http://www.talkbudgies.com/images/steel/buttons/reputation.gif is for Karma. If you didn't give Karma before to that person then a admin will have to see to your problem but if you did then you need to wait and give other people Karma before giving to that person again.

[Kelly27]

By the way whenever i try to give someone karma, the site logs me off and says i dont have permission to access the page...????
Kelly
xXx ;) :D

[zarrion101]

There sounds like there is a few site bugs on this forum. An administrator will respond to you soon or you can forward your issues on to one of them.

[Dave]

You should have permission to give Karma. I'm not suer why you'd be logged off or given errors. I just tested it and I can give Karma. I'll look into this.

[Amy]

I can give karma OK as well.

[Donna]

I don't have a problem with giving Karma but I am getting logged off constantly when I'm on the Talk Budgies Forum. It's the only site I get logged off from and it's very frustrating. (It only happens when I post) Almost every time I go to preview what I want to post, I'll click on "preview post" and then when I look up, the site has logged me off. Then I have to go through the very involved cycle of logging back on and then finding the thread that I started writing on and start my post all over again.

I know that Kelly said she gets logged off at other times too, and I know that someone else mentioned it, also.

Are others having this problem? If so, please mention it to Dave. This could be a common problem and perhaps others (such as "newbies") won't be as tolerant, when it comes to using this site. I know that I have to log back on many, many times every day, and it gets very frustrating.

Donna

[Bea]

I tried to give karma today and was told to "spread the karma around before giving more karma to this person", i have never given karma to that person. :P

[zarrion101]

I tried to give karma today and was told to "spread the karma around before giving more karma to this person", i have never given karma to that person. :P

How strange. I will take a look for you in my mod panel but I don't think there is a lot I can too, sorry. :( But I can pass the issue on to an administrator for you. :)

[Dave]

I'm not sure why it would do that. Try again. I'll look into it.

[Bea]

Can people give negative karma to like 100 points. Cause i'm sure i had heaps more than 121 points this morning (cause i remember looking and thinking WHAT?!?!).

[Dave]

I checked the log and the last time you received Karma (+ or -) was on the 24th, and that was 0 points.

[zarrion101]

Can people give negative karma to like 100 points.

Only if they have the rep power (little green meter bar) :)

[pal0m1n0]

I gave out Karma to someone but was not given the opportunity to control how much I gave out. I just read through this thread again and I think if I understand it, I don't control how much karma I give, that is determined by how much rep power I have?

[hozie07]

Yup that's right . i believe

[alicia]

how do you give and not give karma points

[hozie07]

On top of every post there is little scales( i think that's what they are) click on there.

[Amy]

Yes, that is correct. :D

[zarrion101]

Here is the icon: http://www.talkbudgies.com/images/steel/buttons/reputation.gif

[Dave]

Yes, you give out what ever your rep power is.

[vicks080]

How do you know who increased/decreased your karma?

[JuliesGonnaDance]

How do you know who increased/decreased your karma?

If you go to your User CP, found either under Quick Links or next to the Home button on the top of the screen. Then at the very bottom is a list of what threads you were given Karma for and who gave it to you.:)

[BUUZBEE]

i think i get it....
i have 3 green tabs, so when i give, i give 3 right???
and then the "rep" goes up with the time i've been here and with the posts i make? ( i think there was a 3rd thing that makes it go up but dont remember right now!)

[Dave]

i think i get it....
i have 3 green tabs, so when i give, i give 3 right???
and then the "rep" goes up with the time i've been here and with the posts i make? ( i think there was a 3rd thing that makes it go up but dont remember right now!)
No. Look at the rep power # right above the green bars. That's how many you give out.

[BUUZBEE]

hmmm. totally confused then, i am trying to be good & give it out (since i never remember too!) i gave one person karma today, and it went up 3 point when i refreshed (have i been too long at work and cant add today??? LOL)

[BUUZBEE]

dave, i am a ding dong! & cant add!!!
i just tested on you, and it was 4
duh me! lol

[cute_coco]

that is so cool!

[Wonderbird]

In my user-cp I can see who gave me what in relation to karma. But is there a way to see what I gave out to who? I'm not talking about what my rep power is (I see that it is 0 to date). I want to leave karma for two different people but not sure if I gave it to them yet or not.

Thanks!

[SushiGURL]

Ohh that makes more scense now, thank you Dave. :P

[Joe1]

In my user-cp I can see who gave me what in relation to karma. But is there a way to see what I gave out? I want to leave karma for two different people but not sure if I gave it to them yet or not.

Thanks!

i dont think there is a way of checking, as long as you have clicked on the wee sign next to the caution triangle thing at the top of the post, then submit the karma, it will send. :D

[Wonderbird]

i dont think there is a way of checking, as long as you have clicked on the wee sign next to the caution triangle thing at the top of the post, then submit the karma, it will send. :D

Thanks Joe! I guess it would be a "nice to have" thing if we could see what we gave who. But if I already sent someone karma then they won't get more! It's 0 right now anyway.... ;)

[BUUZBEE]

In my user-cp I can see who gave me what in relation to karma. But is there a way to see what I gave out to who? I'm not talking about what my rep power is (I see that it is 0 to date). I want to leave karma for two different people but not sure if I gave it to them yet or not.

Thanks!

You can only give karma to one person each 10 times i think, so if you already have, and try again, it will pop up a message saying you need to spread more karma before giving it to so & so again.

[Wonderbird]

Oh okay thanks Anna! I haven't run across that one yet. But I have gotten a "thank you for spreading the karma..".

[BUUZBEE]

Oh okay thanks Anna! I haven't run across that one yet. But I have gotten a "thank you for spreading the karma..".

next time you give it to someone, try to do it again, and you'll see the message :)

[pal0m1n0]

I was just looking at my karma and wonder why some of them have a green box in front of them and some have a blue-grey box. Does that indicate positive or negative karma?

[softie]

I believe the blue-ish grey box means neutral, which means the member is giving positive karma but doesn't have enough posts to actually give the point. :)

The red box is probably negative.

[Dave]

Red is negative, green is positive, grey is neutral. If you have less than a certain number of posts (I forget the exact number), you can give Karma, but the other person's points aren't affected either way.

[keet_tweet4]

Yeah what Dave and Softie said, the grey is neutral because the members dont have enough posts and it doesnt effect you, the red is negative and green is positive.

[kangandkodos]

I have a question about Karma - how do you view your Karma? I'm trying to figure out how I ended up with a rep power of 0. I think Dave said earlier that everyone starts out with 1. Did I lose rep power somewhere? I still have the original 10 Karma points for joining, from what I can see.
Do you lose rep power for low posting rates? I'm not here very often, so maybe that's why? I've been registered for over a year, I think, so I should have received more rep power after the first 365 days. I guess I'm just still confused about how this works.
Thanks so much in advance for answering my questions! I've never been part of a forum that uses this karma system before.

ETA: I just realized I probably can't see my karma because no one has given me any. Makes sense. I'm still curious about the lack of rep power, so if anyone knows the answer, I'd be very grateful!

[Dave]

You start with 0 rep power. You have to have 50 posts before you start getting rep power. That should explain why you're still at 0.

[atvchick95]

How do you view your Karama? I found it once but It was by accident , I was lookin' for something else - so i'm not sure how i found the page it was on lol

[Budgietom]

When you click User CP once the page loads (the one with the option about chainging your avatar and siggy) scroll down to the bottom of your page. There is a table about who has given you karma and if they've left a comment about your post.

[atvchick95]

Thank you I knew i saw it some where, But it was one of those things, that wasn't what i was looking for but found it - and when i went back to actually find it - I couldn't remember how i found to it to start with lol

[keet_tweet4]

Tom is right, that's how you look at your Karma. :)

[Tia]

Thanks, I was wondering about that.

[tmthy564]

now i understand, thanks

[BudgieFinder]

OK, few qustions. I tried reading all the way through this thread, but I got lost and then gave up. Sorry for my short attention span :o lol

What's the point of a member with less thank 50 points (ow was it posts?) giving out karma points if it doesn't count towards the other persons points? Is that part just for "feel goods"?

And what's to keep people from just abusing the system and taking points because they are mad at someone (I'm not talking justly, I'm talking "you have a diff opinion than me, jerk" type of thing) or even just trolls messing with people's points? Are there any safegaurds in place for that? or are we just trusting people?

THanks, I know I had another one, I just can't remember it. :/ lol oh well, thanks for the answers!

[BUUZBEE]

OK, few qustions. I tried reading all the way through this thread, but I got lost and then gave up. Sorry for my short attention span :o lol

What's the point of a member with less thank 50 points (ow was it posts?) giving out karma points if it doesn't count towards the other persons points? Is that part just for "feel goods"?

And what's to keep people from just abusing the system and taking points because they are mad at someone (I'm not talking justly, I'm talking "you have a diff opinion than me, jerk" type of thing) or even just trolls messing with people's points? Are there any safegaurds in place for that? or are we just trusting people?

THanks, I know I had another one, I just can't remember it. :/ lol oh well, thanks for the answers!

pretty much the 50 post rule is set so only active members can add or take away karma.

you can only give or take karma from 1 person each 10 times you give it out, so i cant add karma to you now and then again on another post... i'd have to give it to 10 other people and then i can use it on you again. this prevents someone from abusing it on one specific person. If the person was truely being spite full and giving it out to other people just to come back to you, then admin can reset karma points that were abused.

so far, we've never had a problem with the system. I've also added or taken it away when i meant to do the opposite, i contacted admin and they fixed it for me.

i hope that answers you questions?

[BudgieFinder]

pretty much the 50 post rule is set so only active members can add or take away karma.

you can only give or take karma from 1 person each 10 times you give it out, so i cant add karma to you now and then again on another post... i'd have to give it to 10 other people and then i can use it on you again. this prevents someone from abusing it on one specific person. If the person was truely being spite full and giving it out to other people just to come back to you, then admin can reset karma points that were abused.

so far, we've never had a problem with the system. I've also added or taken it away when i meant to do the opposite, i contacted admin and they fixed it for me.

i hope that answers you questions?

Pretty much, I think. Thanks!

That sounds pretty good!

For the 50 post limit, you would only give karma (not counting to the other persons actual numbers there) just as an acknowledgment to the other person that you tried to give them points and liked their post, right?

[BUUZBEE]

exactly :)

[Will]

I don't understand.. . Can anyone give out Karma points? How? What are they for?

[fullmetalgirl]

I don't understand.. . Can anyone give out Karma points? How? What are they for?

you see the ying yang on to top right of a post? thats how you give (or take)points.
the more karma the more respect the member earned from others.
people that earned allot of respect are most likely experienced budgie people that are kind :)

anyone above 50 post and a karma not in the minus can give out karma points.
the more reputation you get the more karma you can give.
how to earn reputation is said on the first post of this topic.

[atvchick95]

I don't understand.. . Can anyone give out Karma points? How? What are they for?


pretty much, if some one posted a Great post and you really learned from it, you'd give them karma points

and if the user has under the required posts but gives you karma on one of your posts/or threads - if you look at your User CP it'll show you who gave you Karma, if the box is Grey it just means they didn't have the required posts, if it's red they gave you negative karma, if the square is green they have the required posts and gave you good karma Some people leave a short "reason" with the points they give you.

[Will]

pretty much, if some one posted a Great post and you really learned from it, you'd give them karma points

and if the user has under the required posts but gives you karma on one of your posts/or threads - if you look at your User CP it'll show you who gave you Karma, if the box is Grey it just means they didn't have the required posts, if it's red they gave you negative karma, if the square is green they have the required posts and gave you good karma Some people leave a short "reason" with the points they give you.

Thanks, I understand now :D

[atvchick95]

your welcome

[Flappy]

Crikey, guys, i've only just noticed this system! I'm so sorry i haven't given any points out yet! And i've had some really good advice. I'll do it from now on :)

[absolutangel]

Lol, it took me a while to catch on too!

[Lovebudgie]

I'm still a newbie (2 months) I am still trying to learn the forum! I get lost, I forget where I posted so I don't get to check back sometimes to people I'm chatting with, and I'm going to attempt giving karma today :) because I just today found where I can see the karma given to me! I'll get it figured out soon, be patient with me, please. :budgie:

[fiuza78]

Hello there,

I read the full thread but there is still something I didn't hear about.

Sometimes the length of the green bar doesn't match the Rep Power number.

For example, Dave, the owner of the Forum, have Rep Power: 5, but he has 5 dark green dots and 2 light green dots on his bars. I've also seen other combinations of that.

What does the dark green and light green mean?

[TipseyTara]

how do you check the karma that was given to you

[Budgiekin]

Click on User CP near the top of any Talk Budgies page while you are logged in. Then scroll down the page a bit. You'll see the last several "Karmas" given to you with the comments if any. :)

[TipseyTara]

Yes i do squeak

says 13 is that how many points i got?

Nevermind i see it says 13 total...LMAO it's late... im tired... thanks all

[Pippin's mom]

Hi Kat~
Sadly,I have to say that your post above is quite rude.:( It has a self-righteous tone and is disrespectful to your fellow members as well as the staff.

The Karma system is not based on a popularity contest. I will admit that I rarely give out negative karma and in the almost two years that I have been here I have only given negative karma maybe four times and it was for very good reasons. Someone has to do or say something pretty bad to get negative karma from me. I do give out positive karma usually on a daily basis..it is always well deserved.:)

We are a Budgie forum, a bird community , but also a family here at Talk budgies so I have also given positive karma as birthday presents, or because someone lost a beloved bird or other animal in that animal's memory. I don't consider that abusing the system.

I have never given negative karma to someone just because I disagree with them or them me..I don't feel that is right and I would consider that abuse of the system. I have never given karma to "suck up" to anyone and I have never received karma from anyone trying to "suck up" to me. Knowing our wonderful members I don't believe this to be true of anyone here. There have been some rare instances of members giving out negative karma when it wasn't deserved, but for the most part I believe our members only give out karma good or bad when it is rightfully deserved.

[FudgieTheBudgie]

Thats a great system! :D

[AngelWings]

It's impossible not to abuse this system because it's all based on a popularity contest and sucking up to the moderators. It would be one thing to give negative karma to someone for posting twice in a row, or for posting something irrelevant, or for spamming, but this is definitely not the case at all. People give karma just for the hell of it. They give karma and all they say is "thanks" or that they don't agree with you. Anyone who disagrees with the moderators will get negative karma, and anyone who sucks up to them and defends them even if they are wrong will get positive karma. And of course they will give karma to each other.

The antics of every single forum or message board that I have ever been on with this ridiculous and pointless karma system are all the same.

I'm sorry but this is not a popularity contest. We give karma out for good informative threads and even birthday threads as "presents". I've never once given out negative karma even though i've had plenty of people disagreeing with me because i think everyone has their view on things. Negative karma are only given when the post is disrespectful, rude, trolling or other things that are against the rules.

The fact that you gave me an infraction really just proves my point.

This has nothing to do with the karma system it's because you're being very disrespectful. I'm not sure exactly why you have this view towards staff members but i've never once given anyone negative karma for disagreeing with me and i always try my best to be friendly towards everyone. This is a family friendly forum with people of all ages starting from 11 years old which is why we are friendly towards each other to set a good example for them.

[Dave]

Just to clarify, the infraction system and the karma system are completely separate. Infractions are given out when posts are either out of line or rules are broken. They're only issued by moderators. Karma, on the other hand, is given out by both members and staff to show appreciation for quality posts or the opposite for unnecessary posts. Giving out Karma has nothing to do with moderators. "Sucking up" or disagreeing with moderators won't affect one's Karma level. The only thing that affects this is how other members view a post. It is up to each individual member, whether they're a member or staff, to decide how their Karma will be given out.

The point of the Karma system being like a popularity contest can be debated. I certainly can understand how this would happen. I have seen it on other forums. As far as I'm aware though, this has not yet happened here on a large scale. Measure are in place to make sure Karma is spread as equally and fairly as possible. As with any type of system, it can be abused. This goes for anything, from Karma systems to voting systems in real-life politics. That's just a fact of life. Some people will abuse the system. But we don't want to discourage its use because of an unruly few.

[TheMelissas]

It's impossible not to abuse this system because it's all based on a popularity contest and sucking up to the moderators. It would be one thing to give negative karma to someone for posting twice in a row, or for posting something irrelevant, or for spamming, but this is definitely not the case at all. People give karma just for the hell of it. They give karma and all they say is "thanks" or that they don't agree with you. Anyone who disagrees with the moderators will get negative karma, and anyone who sucks up to them and defends them even if they are wrong will get positive karma. And of course they will give karma to each other.

The antics of every single forum or message board that I have ever been on with this ridiculous and pointless karma system are all the same.

If you are so down on the karma system, my friend, then I have some excellent news for you: it's possible to ignore it. I've never joined a forum before this one and had no idea what a karma system was. I only recently figured it out and started using it, but you know what? It didn't affect my ability to a) make posts and b) read responding posts. I joined this forum to ask questions about my bird, get answers about my bird, and then--when I had a passing knowledge about birds--give answers to people about their birds. It's been an extremely helpful forum, irregardless of any karma system.

The fact that you're making this such a big deal about this harmless little feature, to the point where you're going off on wild rants about the moderators for being "popular" speaks a lot to your intentions, as does the fact that you seem to disagree with people intentionally just to "school" them with your super expansive knowledge of logical fallacies. Just to let you know: I took a high school logic class too, and rolled my eyes.

Why not just use the site and other people's knowledge instead of getting angry about who's more popular or knowledgeable than you? I don't think anyone takes anyone else's posts more or less seriously based on the number of little green bars they have, which is great. I mean, take a step back. It's just a little forum feature.

[ronsig]

I've never joined a forum before this one and had no idea what a karma system was. I only recently figured it out and started using it, .

That's funny, because that happened to me when I first joined. I had no idea what Karma was. It really is only one nice little feature..:)
You can ignore it completely....and still enjoy the forum.

Sigrid

[Pippin's mom]

The fact that you gave me an infraction really just proves my point.

As Dave already explained quite well..the karma system and the infraction system are two different processes.:)

the infraction you were issued for your original post in this thread was well deserved and has nothing to do with popularity or "sucking up" it was about breaking forum rules and disrespecting members and staff. You have not received any negative karma from me however.

[Tex]

I'm new to the forum and had no idea what "Karma" was all about until reading this thread. After checking my user CP as suggested I see I have some karma notes. To those who sent the notes I thank you for the kind words.

Tex

[stacey101]

I'm new to the forum and had no idea what "Karma" was all about until reading this thread. After checking my user CP as suggested I see I have some karma notes. To those who sent the notes I thank you for the kind words.

Tex

Karma always makes people smile :)

[Memphis T.]

Waaa. :p I've just looked into my User CP now and I only got 5 comments in my 'Latest Reputation Recieved'...but the comments were so kind! I can't believe that I didn't respond to them.:(
How do you respond the comments displayed in 'Latest Reputation Recieved'? Please reply.

[helloyo53]

Waaa. :p I've just looked into my User CP now and I only got 5 comments in my 'Latest Reputation Recieved'...but the comments were so kind! I can't believe that I didn't respond to them.:(
How do you respond the comments displayed in 'Latest Reputation Recieved'? Please reply.

Just go to their profile and thank them. :)

[2many]

Well, I tried, but since I am still under 50 posts, karma that I gave to others won't count?

[ssuzyk]

I'm new to the forum and had no idea what "Karma" was all about until reading this thread. After checking my user CP as suggested I see I have some karma notes. To those who sent the notes I thank you for the kind words.

Tex

Same here! I just noticed the notes on my user CP just recently :eek: And I joined the forum months ago!

[riotfox]

duke, that sort of posts is just the type that deserves negative karma. i have never once given out negative karma, even when i did get into a bit of an argument with someone. it is just a way to let someone know they made a good post... not some sort of all powerful way to mess with people and suck up.

[Dave]

Well, I tried, but since I am still under 50 posts, karma that I gave to others won't count?
That's correct. They'll still receive any message you include in your Karma, but they won't receive any points.

[Caspir]

I just recently discovered this Karma "thing". I have had many questions which received great answers and I didn't give Karma. Can I go back now and give Karma? Thanks to all who have given me Karma! I didn't know I received it. This is my first forum too. Lots to learn.

[helloyo53]

I just recently discovered this Karma "thing". I have had many questions which received great answers and I didn't give Karma. Can I go back now and give Karma? Thanks to all who have given me Karma! I didn't know I received it. This is my first forum too. Lots to learn.

Yep, you can go back and give karma. But remember, I believe you can only give karma to one person, and you have to give it to ten other people before you can give it back to that one person. And you can only give out 20 points every 24 hours I believe.

[Caspir]

Yep, you can go back and give karma. But remember, I believe you can only give karma to one person, and you have to give it to ten other people before you can give it back to that one person. And you can only give out 20 points every 24 hours I believe.

Thanks for the info!

[JHFcyclist]

well I guess i'll waste my 50th post so my karma actually counts! lol.

[Memphis T.]

Why my karma points are now so little? They were more than that...no?:S

[CaptainCarebear]

I don't think I could give someone negative karma. :o Though, it does feel good being recognized for having had helped someone, or put a smile on someone's face :D

[Memphis T.]

Maybe because I haven't been here for ages so that's why my karma points are so little now?:S

[CaptainCarebear]

Hm. I'd hate to think that Karma would go down for inactivity. :S

[AngelWings]

Karma doesn't go down if you're innactive.
Did you receive any negative karma?

[sulbha]

sorry friends still i need explanation of "karma " system .will u?

[Memphis T.]

Karma doesn't go down if you're innactive.
Did you receive any negative karma?
Uuh...how could you tell if you recieved negative karma?

[clifff123]

sorry friends still i need explanation of "karma " system .will u?



Karma System Explained


The Karma system is basically used to grade other members' posts. Here's some guidelines about it:

You may only give out Karma 10 times in 24 hours.
You must give Karma to at least 5 other people before you can give to the same person again.
You can only give Karma to each post once.
You may give out positive or negative Karma.
You can give out Karma when you have less than 50 posts, but they won't count toward the other members' Karma counts.
Karma levels can go below 0.
Don't abuse the Karma system.
Now here's how the numbers work:

You gain 1 Rep Power (how many points you give out per click)

For every 365 days registered to the site
For every 2500 posts you make
For every 500 Karma points you get

__________________
Dave :)

[CaptainCarebear]

Great explanation! :D

[MelF]

Can you see who leaves karma for you? I just received karma, but I'm not sure why and I would like to thank them.

[Dave]

Can you see who leaves karma for you? I just received karma, but I'm not sure why and I would like to thank them.
Go to your User CP. It should be listed there.

[bjohn]

Go to your User CP. It should be listed there.

I checked my User CP as I have been given karma and i want to thank the people who gave it to me.

It is not on my User CP as far as i can see.

Also having read through this thread there is mention of scales for giving karma which i can't see on my page there is a ying/yang symbol I thought this was for giving karma.

[AngelWings]

I checked my User CP as I have been given karma and i want to thank the people who gave it to me.

It is not on my User CP as far as i can see.

Also having read through this thread there is mention of scales for giving karma which i can't see on my page there is a ying/yang symbol I thought this was for giving karma.


It's there just go to your User CP and scroll down to Latest Reputation Received. The ying yang symbol is how you give karma out

[bjohn]

No AngleWings my User CP has

User Control Panel (in a dark band)
Private messages
Subscribed Threads
Edit Signature
Edit Your Details
Edit Options
Miscellaneous (also in a dark band)
Your Profile

"Latest Reputation Received" is not in it

There's always one :D:D:D

[AngelWings]

Not on the side.
This is what i mean.

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii221/brazilian_angell/202.jpg

[bjohn]

Thaks AngleWings sorry for the trouble but this area gives me comments other forum users leave for me
For instance I get messages "thanks for the karma" how do these people know I gave them karma ?:S:S:S

[AngelWings]

If you scroll down the page i showed you it'll show where you recieved karma, from which user, when they gave you karma and sometimes they write a comment.

[BUUZBEE]

Also having read through this thread there is mention of scales for giving karma which i can't see on my page there is a ying/yang symbol I thought this was for giving karma.

it used to be a scale icon, now its the ying/yang

[bjohn]

If you scroll down the page i showed you it'll show where you recieved karma, from which user, when they gave you karma and sometimes they write a comment.

No joy I give up
Thanks Sue

[bjohn]

it used to be a scale icon, now its the ying/yang

Thanks Anna

[BUUZBEE]

Not on the side.
This is what i mean.


No joy I give up


Make sure the little arrow isn't pointing in the wrong direction... pointing down closes it. (see attached pics)

[MelF]

Thanks so much for pointing that out. I found it.