How to treat splayed legs??

[Squeak_Crumble]

Hi
i just found out that one of my baby budgies has splayed legs. How do i treat her. I cant spend to much money. Please help as she looks like shes in pain

Help
Sophie

[clifff123]

Poor baby,try this url Squeak
http://www.parrotparrot.com/splay/

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cliffs/6483/splay.html

http://www.2ndchance.info/spraddle.htm

[Budgier]

...so a vet is out?:scared: That would be a scary thing to fix, at least for me!

[BUUZBEE]

Hi
i just found out that one of my baby budgies has splayed legs. How do i treat her. I cant spend to much money. Please help as she looks like shes in pain

Help
Sophie

How old is the baby? its a pretty easy fix from what i've heard but you have to catch it early. What type of nest box are you using?

as cliff posted, this is the best link i've found when searching before.
http://www.parrotparrot.com/splay/

[Pippin's mom]

Poor baby.:( I hope you can get him fixed up!

[Scuba]

Hope you caught it early. I'll be rooting for you and you baby. Good luck.

[prettybird1212]

I read somwhere taht you can even out a make up sponge and cut two holes in it where you put the legs. I would personally call a vet and ask them.

[Squeak_Crumble]

well she/he is 11 days. My parents dont understand and my dad said know it over the head. I'll try the sponge.
The nest box has a concave but all the poops been building up. I assume shes sitting on them tightly. I'm not even really sure if its a splayed leg( only one legs affected) ill try get a pic.

[prettybird1212]

Hope all goes well...

[Budgietom]

I hope your baby gets well soon.

[Squeak_Crumble]

well i looks like a dislocated joint. the leg can bend backwards. All of them have splayed legs and i cant seperate the parents. Ill try the rubber band

How tight do they have 2 be?

[Babyluv12]

Ummm...you said: The nest box has a concave but all the poops been building up.

Are you cleaning the box? Is it wood or plastic and does it have bedding? I noticed you have another thread saying you don't have the time or money to care for them. I'm sorry but that's a little too late and you're responsible for what happens. I don't mean to sound harsh but it all comes with breeding. It's not fair to ask someone else to take over four chicks with problems. Goodluck.

[Bea]

Don't use a rubber band, buy some homebrand make up sponges and cut two holes in each one approx. 2cm apart. Wedge the chicks legs into these and it will hold them together allowing them to grow straight. You should leave them on for about 10 days and then see how the legs are going. This treatment will cost you all of about $2-$3.

No offense, but breeding isn't something that should be done if you can't afford the complications. Did you put nesting material in the nest box? This is really important to prevent splay legs and also to keep it clean. You can change the nesting material every 1-2 days, there should NEVER be a build up of poo in the nest box, this is extremely unhealthy.

Good luck with your babies, i hope you learn from this experience.

[Neata]

Yes if you use a retangle ( oblong ) Shape make up sponge and put 2 slits in it have it sitting just above the knees and trim of an excess sponge.. Leave for a week and check again if not fixed leave for another week... What nesting materials are you using and are you giving calcium .... This are the main reasons for splayed legs

[Squeak_Crumble]

1. i cant put a sponge in. Parents will chew it up.
2. When i said i dont have the time i mean to feed them evry 2 hours as i have exams and school.
3. As for money i mean i cant go get a $100 operation done
4. I use special insulating dirt, feathers and some typw of strong stringy grass.

[Budgier]

Wow, it seriously breaks my heart to read this post. I can't believe you would consider breeding if you didn't look into all of the problems (and costs!) that caan arise! It's just extremely irresponsible to me, not to sound harsh.

It sounds like you need to remind your parents that allowing you to breed is not just your responsibility but theirs as well and that they need to take action and help these poor babies before they become completely and permanently crippled. It isn't fair to these babies who didn't ask to be born to live a life of pain and discomfort because you couldn't afford a vet trip.

[keet_tweet4]

Ok, I don't want to be harsh here, I like you Sophie, you're a nice person. But, I need to second the others.
You've got chicks and a vet isn't a opinion, you don't have time to hand feed them, and you don't have enough money to help them. You and your family should have looked into the medical costs and the amount of time it takes to breed. Since you're young and living with your parents, it is their responsability for your birds as well. They allowed you to breed. Did you tell them all the problems of breeding before they allowed you to do so? Poor babies, I have worked with many rescues and many of them get in young birds with problems from breeders who don't want to/can't spend the money to take them to the vet. This entire thread saddens me.

[BUUZBEE]

1. i cant put a sponge in. Parents will chew it up..
why do you say this??? hundreds of people use this method! DONT USE RUBERBAND, you can cut off the blood flow!!! this is what you need to do!!!!
2. When i said i dont have the time i mean to feed them evry 2 hours as i have exams and school.
Then you should not be breeding
3. As for money i mean i cant go get a $100 operation done
have you had an avian vet look at them, why do you think its dislocated?
4. I use special insulating dirt, feathers and some typw of strong stringy grass
???? why not shavings or carefresh as everyone uses? Why take the chance? not to mention this is a prime breeding ground for bacteria!

I am sorry if you are upset, but these ARE reasons people should NOT breed... now these little ones are paying the price. I am sad & frustraited. I hope they get the care they need ASAP!

[Star]

:( This just saddens me. Those poor birds don't deserve this. Breeding birds(or ANY animal really) takes GREAT responsibility, high costs, knowledge and TIME which you don't seem to have. If you had school couldn't you have waited till summertime to breed them? Why did your parents let you breed if they aren't willing to give you the money for it?? I am sorry, but this is really irresponsible on your part.

Poor birds. I really hope they get the proper care the so desperately need.

[Budgier]

How are they doing? Have they seen a vet yet? The longer you wait, the more permanent their disfigurations will be and the more PAINFUL FOR THEM it will be to correct them, if they are even correctable. We're not trying to be mean or scare you, but it's the truth, regardless of whether or not it's pleasant and something you want to hear.

I don't know what your personal life is, nor do I care, but ask everyone you can, your grandparents for help, aunts, uncles, cousins, neighbors, friends, friends' parents, teachers... there has to be SOMEbody who will help these poor little birds, though it truly is your parents' soul responsibility.

[Squeak_Crumble]

look guys im sorry. They went to the vet and the youngest one has very minor splayed legs. The rest are fine. Its the hot weather they seem to be spreading themselves out more. i overreacted. i was stupid. The vet said to get them into a seperate cage with a larger box. They have scabs all over them because this morning another female got in the box...... it didnt turn out nice.
I'll get a pic

[Budgier]

Thank you for taking them to the vet! I think I can speak on behalf of everybody by saying that we're sorry for being so harsh. It's just that so many people breed irresonspibly and buy birds irresponsibly and ask for advice, and those giving the advice have to live with knowing that somewhere, out there, there are sweet, innocent little birds suffering needlessly that we can't help because the owners won't take them to the vet. I hope you've learned how scary and demanding breeding can be and will hold off until you are out of school.

What did the vet do for the splayed legs and scabs? Is there ointment you need to administer? Did he give you a sponge to use? Did he recommend changing the bedding to something more sanitary?

And why breed when there are SO many homeless and abused birds who need good homes? Why bring more into the world if you have room in your household or aviary for those who NEED homes? Just something to think about.

[BUUZBEE]

What did the vet do for treatment?

Are you colony breeding?

[Squeak_Crumble]

he said just leave them and theyll fix it themselves or the mum will do.........
I was colony breeding

[Bea]

What about the one with minor splayed legs? I'm sorry, but it's not something that corrects itself or the mum corrects. I really think you should try the make up sponge, even if you're not 100% they have a problem. It won't hurt them and it could help them greatly if there is even a minor problem.

[Babyluv12]

he said just leave them and theyll fix it themselves or the mum will do.........
I was colony breeding

Umm...was he a real vet? A real vet with a licence to practice would never say just leave it, it's will fix itself or the mom will fix it. Splayed legs doesn't fix itself, it just gets worse and then becomes permanent. Also, he would have given you some antibiotic oitment for those cuts they got from the hen you mentioned. Please atleast try to do the sponge, even if the mother chews it. They sell a huge bag at the dollar store so worst case scenerio just add a new one.

[Squeak_Crumble]

the sponge is on. i totally agree that it doesnt correct itself.
Im never goin 2 him again

[Pippin's mom]

I'm glad that you got the babies to the vet!:)

I have read in a couple of your threads though where you have had a problem with your birds and people have advised you to take them to the vet and you have said it is not possible either due to funds or transportation.

Your parents do not seem to support you breeding Budgies. They seem to mostly be not willing to help and in this case have been cruel and irresponsible suggesting you give the babies away or kill them. That is just wrong. When you take on the responsibility of breeding you take responsibility for any problems that arise too. They should have never agreed to allow you to breed if they weren't supportive and willing to help if needed since you are a minor. You are all responsible in one way or another for the care and safety of your birds.

You said yourself that you are too busy to hand- feed every couple of hours, but that also comes with breeding when necessary. I have to wonder why poop was that built up in the nestbox? It just seems like it would be better for you to hold off on breeding for now. I hope you will consider that.

I'm not saying these things to be mean or harsh I'm just concerned.

[Squeak_Crumble]

the poop built up because i was away for a week and my brother was meant to do it but he didnt.

[Babyluv12]

the sponge is on. i totally agree that it doesnt correct itself.
Im never goin 2 him again

I really hope for the sake of those babies that you're not just saying things to shut us up. I wish you the best with them, I really do but the whole situation makes me wonder.

[Squeak_Crumble]

seriously the sponge is on and i did take them 2 the vet.

[Star]

I am not saying I don't trust you but can we see a picture of the babies? Not only that, I love baby birds.

[Budgier]

It seriously sounds like you didn't even take them to the vet and that you said that to get us off of your back. A vet, regardless of whether or not he specialized in birds would NEVER say that!! Owning up to your mistakes and trying to correct them would be a better way to get us off of your back about your poor birds.

I regret that I have to resign from this thread since it is just too upsetting and I don't want to be mean or harsh. I just don't understand how can someone with no knowledge or experience (or time or money!) can arrogantly breed another living thing and then neglect the sick and injured living things that were produced from this mess.

Sorry again for the harshness, it just really upsets me.

[pal0m1n0]

Well, this thread seems to have hit an emotional chord. Good advice has been given, we have been told it has been followed, I don't think we can do more than that. So I will summarize the lessons learned:

1. If you breed and need to go away, make sure the person left in charge is responsible enough to do it.

2. Keep the nest box clean.

3. Colony breeding is more risky than not colony breeding.

4. Check out vets before you need one.

5. No nesting material is better than wrong nesting material.

6. Budgies do not need to breed, if eggs are layed you can do something to prevent them from hatching.

So hopefully pictures will be posted in the budgie pictures forum, and this thread is closed.

[BUUZBEE]

Wow.... I certainly hope this has made you realize you should not be breeding You have a lot more to learn, and maturity to gain.

http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=13533 here in August, you posted that you wanted to breed, but pretty much knew nothing. You came back a month later after forgetting you had made the thread. Saying you knew more and they were going to breed.

http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=16671 here you had a pair in a breeding setup, why turn around and do colony breeding? Colony breeding should not be done by someone that knows nothing about breeding. Even in this thread your asking questions that show me you did no research from August 07 to January o8... how long does an egg take to hatch? that's basic knowledge if you studied! Any idea why Cookie died?

I'm a bit confused, http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=14382 here you say its your dads aviary, do you have two or are you now taking care of your dads? I'm shocked your dad would be so uncaring considering he has an aviary full of birds.

http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=17698&page=3 Were more boxes added to the aviary as advised to prevent hens attacking other hens and babies. What are you doing to prevent them from killing them? You should have learned from http://talkbudgies.com/showthread.php?t=14446&page=5 this experience. How many times do you need to have smashed eggs, killed babies, and now wounded babies before you learn not to do this?

Please take all these posts and learn from them... when your older and have more time to devote to breeding, try again then. School needs to come first, so if your not there to care for these birds, leaving things up to your brother isn't acceptable. The birds are the ones that are suffering due to your selfishness of having to breed NOW... whats the hurry???