Mutation of my new boys?

[chompie_puppy]

I would love some help with the mutations of my two new boys! Thank you!!

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[atvchick95]

they're both opaline
but other then that i'm not sure

[huskymom]

the one from teh farther back seems to have a nice deep blue cere...... but the front one seems a bit more faded....

can you post pics more close to them or showing them looking front??

they both are gorgeous!!

[Jessika]

Yep they're two cutesy little boys. As far as mutation goes, the one on the left-hand side is a sky-blue yellow-face type 2 opaline. The second one is a normal green greywing.

[chompie_puppy]

Cool! Thank you everyone! :D

[Kerry C]

The cock on the perch is an golden face, opaline, sky. The yellow of the golden face "bleeds" into the body color. What do you get when you mix yellow and blue? green. Also if you wanted to know, opaline is a sex linked mutation. For a cock to show this pattern he has to have 2 copies of it.

The cock on the ladder looks to be an opaline, yellow (dilute), spangle. The wing patter is reversed and he also has white flashings (at least on one side).

[*YouGotBudgie*]

I just wanted to say they are gorgeous !
But I am not that good with budgie mutations...:(

[Wonderbird]

The cock on the perch is an golden face, opaline, sky. The yellow of the golden face "bleeds" into the body color. What do you get when you mix yellow and blue? green. Also if you wanted to know, opaline is a sex linked mutation. For a cock to show this pattern he has to have 2 copies of it.

Hi Kerry, what is the difference between goldenface and a yellowface type II?

[Jessika]

I think goldenface is a brighter yellow than just a yellowface.

[atvchick95]

I agree with Jessika

everything i've read about yellow face and golden face is just one shade is deeper then the other, and it's the golden face that's deeper if you had a yellow face and a golden face side by side you'd be able to tell the difference

I've got both but my yellow face budgie doesn't show up well on my camera but my golden face's do

I'm a visual type person - its easier for me to tell differnces seeing the things, if i can find a decent pic of my Yellow face, and one of my golden faces I'll post here later though

[Wonderbird]

Okay so golden face is like the face of a green budgie? My Toby has the most beautiful deep yellow face! I assume all greens are that yellow. ;) Kitty is yellow face type II then. Thought she was. :)

[Wonderbird]

Thank you!

[Kerry C]

Okay so golden face is like the face of a green budgie? My Toby has the most beautiful deep yellow face! I assume all greens are that yellow. ;) Kitty is yellow face type II then. Thought she was. :)

No. There are 3 different types of yellow face.

Cream face - where the yellow is VERY pale.
For example one of my birds had only the very tips of her face feathers a pale yellow. The shaft of the face feathers were white. I thought her face was dirty.

Yellow face - where the yellow is only on the face. The rest of the body is what ever color the bird is.

Golden face - where the yellow "bleeds" into the body. This "bleeding" effect can continue further down the body with each molt. A "light" goden face may only have yellow mixed in the chest feathers.

You can have a golden face in ANY color of bird. It's harder to see in a green bird, but if you know what to look for you will see it is a darker yellow.

[Wonderbird]

No. There are 3 different types of yellow face.

Cream face - where the yellow is VERY pale.
For example one of my birds had only the very tips of her face feathers a pale yellow. The shaft of the face feathers were white. I thought her face was dirty.

Yellow face - where the yellow is only on the face. The rest of the body is what ever color the bird is.

Golden face - where the yellow "bleeds" into the body. This "bleeding" effect can continue further down the body with each molt. A "light" goden face may only have yellow mixed in the chest feathers.

You can have a golden face in ANY color of bird. It's harder to see in a green bird, but if you know what to look for you will see it is a darker yellow.

Are you saying that there is no such thing as yellow face type I and yellow face type II? I want to understand. I really do. When you are describing golden face it sounds like yellow face type II. Now I am confused. :S

[Kerry C]

Are you saying that there is no such thing as yellow face type I and yellow face type II? I want to understand. I really do. When you are describing golden face it sounds like yellow face type II. Now I am confused. :S

Mindy,

Remember budgies are all over the world. The names for mutations might be a tad different, but describe the same "thing." Goodness just look into all the different names for the pied birds, German Pieds, Australian pieds, recessive pied and dominant pied, etc. Can not go further, that's as far as I stretch in that area. I have not really looked at what the difference is when you put a country name on them.

Now let's make things even more fun old mutation names have been given new names. That example would be the dated name Sea Foam is now called a Rainbow. Same mutation, updated name.


I know when one is first learning this your head gets to swimming, but if you just stay with it you will see it gets easier! I will look up the name of a good book tonight that you might want to get to help you keep all this info "under your belt."

As for the yellow face thing...think of it as the different way the American's and the English say tomato. if that helps any....:o


Yellow Face Type I - is also known as Cream face.
This mutation can come in a single factor which I described the very soft yellow where only on the tips of the feathers are yellow. It can come in a double factor being slightly darker yellow.

Yellow Face Type II - is also known as just Yellow Face.
The yellow stays on the face.
This mutation can also come in a double factor which is a darker yellow, but they yellow still stays on the face.

Yellow Face Type III - also know as Golden Face - is also know as Australian Golden Face.
This mutation the yellow "bleeds" into the body color. You will see a blend of yellow on the chest or splotched blending on the body.
Sometimes that "bleeding" affect can continue for several molts going further down into the bird's body. That would be a double factor.

I'm sure you have heard of people saying they have a turquoise budgie? That is a golden face (YF Type III) sky. This is also one mutation needed to make a Rainbow budgie.

[Wonderbird]

Thanks for the info Kerry! Yes it is just swimming in my head! I first learned of yellowface type I and II from The Budgie Place (http://www.budgieplace.com/colorsguide.html#yellowface). As you can see the definition of Yellowface is different there. (No I am not the same Mindy that is webmaster there.) Yes I would be interested in a good book with this kind of stuff in it. Thank you! :)

I started a new thread about my budgie entitled "Is my budgie a rainbow?". I hope you have the opportunity to read it. It is relative to the discussion here. :)

[Pippin's mom]

Very interesting discussion! I would like the name of that book too Kerry.