for sale

[the hunter]

hi board is there a "for sale" forum on this site ????

[Budgiekin]

We currently don't have a section specifically for sale items. In fact, it isn't something the staff and I have really talked about. Perhaps this would be an occasion for me to do so...:rolleyes:

I assume you are thinking of the sale of budgie or bird-related things like toys or even real budgies?

[tweet 52]

I think that is a great ideal to look into....just may say so.;)

[cute_coco]

that is a very good idea

[atvchick95]

Another forum i am on ( its for quakers but has discussion of all birds) has a section called " re homing" and it's like a adoption section, People who are need of finding thier birds new homes, for what ever reason, rather they're moving, got really ill and can't take care of their birds any more, etc

some are free to good homes, others have a "adoption" fee, and they tell you what's included, like if they're just rehoming the bird,or if the cage/toys/ food etc comes with it

Granted some of them were asking for a outrageous rehomeimg fee for a old bird But most are reasonable,

Just thought that could be a idea to toss around - along with the for sale section

[the hunter]

I assume you are thinking of the sale of budgie or bird-related things like toys or even real budgies?[/QUOTE]

yes bird related and even real budgies.. at least you would know the history of the bird and not taking a gamble like you do when buying from some pet shops ??? :budgie:

[Kerry C]

I sell birds on line from time to time and I will ship. I would caution those who have never done it before and are not familiar with the "Nigerian scams" to take a few lunch periods and eat at your desk while reading http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com

This site was set up for this lady to sell her horses. However, she got tired of all the scams to buy her horses that she deiced to - scam the scamers. She has printed all the dialogs on each "innocent" and scanned in copies of the fake checks for the world to see. It REALLY does make entertaining reading while educating yourself on the style of writing and "key words" to be on the look out to I.D. a scamer. As you read you really DO see the pattern, almost like they are coping out of a How To Book.

Kerry

[BUUZBEE]

hey kerry, just curious, who do you ship your birds with? have you ever had any problems shipping?

[Kerry C]

I prefer to ship my birds Continental Quick Pack. It is a bit more expensive $119 up to 9.5 lbs weight. I have never had a problem with these people. The Quick Pack service guarantees the birds are hand carried to/from the aircraft and not left on the tarmac to ride on the baggage train when sent just air cargo.

I have had buyers insist that the birds be shipped with Delta. Since the buyer is paying for the shipping up front I will do as they request, but I also tell them that Delta is no where as reliable as Continental. If going this route I would suggest insurance be bought to cover the cost of the bird(s) and shipping. It's under $20.

American air cargo is worse. My fellow club member had 8 birds with a paid reservation in CA to be shipped to TX. There was mechanical trouble with the first flight. The birds were then bumped from several other flights. The AA people offered to put the birds on the early morning flight the next day. The original breeder went back to the airport to pick them up, they had sat all day long in that carrier and he did not want them to sit over night as well. She ended up picking up the birds 2 weeks later when she was in San Pedro.

I ship my doves Express Mail through the U.S. Mail. Parrots can not be shipped in this manner, and there is no sneaking it since all carriers MUST HAVE A CLEAR VIEW TO THE BOTTOM of the crate. If you try there is a $500 fine (regardless that the postal person accepted it in the fist place), it can be caught any where along the route. When I ship this way I get the address of the buyer's local post office and send it there so the birds will not sit in the cold/heat until someone gets home.

[pal0m1n0]

I read one of the scam conversations, but I wonder, how do you tell if the cheque is fake?

[kcasey_72]

I would never buy a bird that had to be shipped to me it would be to tramatic for the little bub.:eek: so I guess unless your looking for people who are local and have some bubs they want to sell or its cages and stuff that would be differnt but I am not for shipping of birds. Just my opinion but I am sticking to it!

[Kerry C]

I read one of the scam conversations, but I wonder, how do you tell if the cheque is fake?

Pal0m1n0

How may times have you ever given someone a check for WAY MORE than the value of the item you were buying? (Ok at the grocery store maybe, but you are not making it for several thousand over what you owe.) That is clue #1.

Clue #2 If you look at some of the checks that she has scanned in you can see they are really poor quality.

Clue #3 & #4 Wait 2 weeks and see how high it bounce. However the scamers will be screaming at you within a day of you receiving the over night letter that you have yet to Western Union the excess $2,000.00 (or so) that the (fake) check was written for.

You see they believe American's are greedy and stupid to take a check that is written for way more than the asking price of the "item" for sale. To cajole you they offer you to take what you feel is worth the effort of going to Western Union to “send” them the balance. In reality you are just giving them cash and getting the penalty of a bounced check.

[BUUZBEE]

how do you supply water/food for them?

[Kerry C]

I would never buy a bird that had to be shipped to me it would be to tramatic for the little bub.:eek: so I guess unless your looking for people who are local and have some bubs they want to sell or its cages and stuff that would be differnt but I am not for shipping of birds. Just my opinion but I am sticking to it!


OK you stick to it. :) But you do realize that many bird mill bred birds are shipped to pet stores. How do you know where you are buying your birds from does not recieve their stock in this manner?

For other people, shipping birds is the only way they can get the stock they are needing, puchasing stock from the breeders they prefer.

[Kerry C]

how do you supply water/food for them?

As we all know, budgies come from the arid part of Australia. They fly great distances from feeding grounds to watering holes. Budgies are not delicate like finches and can go for longer periods of time without water. When shipping, they are provided with an abundant supply of spray millet and sliced apples (for moisture) to keep them happy for the “few” hours they are in transit.

[BUUZBEE]

Interesting, I always wondered how it was done.

[the hunter]

We currently don't have a section specifically for sale items. In fact, it isn't something the staff and I have really talked about. Perhaps this would be an occasion for me to do so...:rolleyes:

I assume you are thinking of the sale of budgie or bird-related things like toys or even real budgies?

well budgiekin did you talk to your staff ???? ;)

[keet_tweet4]

yes a For Sale section sounds good.
I use Kijiji.ca

very interesting about the scams.

[Budgiekin]

Thank you for bringing this up again. ;)

We did recently have a discussion about this and are currently considering the pros and cons to having a forum such as this as well as the logistics of setting it up should we decide to go that route. We would greatly appreciate your patience with this as we have not finalized a decision as of yet.

[the hunter]

Thank you for bringing this up again. ;)

We did recently have a discussion about this and are currently considering the pros and cons to having a forum such as this as well as the logistics of setting it up should we decide to go that route. We would greatly appreciate your patience with this as we have not finalized a decision as of yet.

hi budgiekin ..sorry if you think im rushing a decision ... i was just checking in to see if anything had happened ???:o

[Budgiekin]

No worries! I look at it more like you were just following up rather than pushing for a decision. ;)

[the hunter]

No worries! I look at it more like you were just following up rather than pushing for a decision. ;)

now you have it thats what i was doing ....:p

[keet_tweet4]

I would never buy a bird that had to be shipped to me it would be to tramatic for the little bub.:eek: so I guess unless your looking for people who are local and have some bubs they want to sell or its cages and stuff that would be differnt but I am not for shipping of birds. Just my opinion but I am sticking to it!

This is off topic but I would say I'ld agree. I think it would be stressful for the bird, if not traumatic. I am rescue-only. ;)

[Lucille]

I read one of the scam conversations, but I wonder, how do you tell if the cheque is fake?

This is EXTREMELY difficult to do in practice, but easy, once you know about how the scammers operate, to do by looking at the situation where someone writes you a gigantic check and wants part of it back. Most sorting/routing of checks is done mechanically these days, it can take from 7-10 days for a check to return to its home bank.

Commercial paper law requires that your bank either credit or deny a check you have deposited within at most a few days. The checks are bundled and in most cases sent to clearing centers throughout the country, and then are routed back to the bank and account they were written from.
If there are not sufficient funds or the account itself is fake, the initial credit if it was made is then taken back out of your account and if the money is not there (as in the case of the scam checks) you are left owing huge amounts of money. The scam check writer cannot of course be found at that time, and even if you could locate them, it would be difficult and time consuming to try to subject them to US law if they were in another country.

Both people and banks have become more sophisticated and many do not readily accept these checks but unfortunately some people still get scammed.

[Budgiekin]

After much discussion amongst the staff members, we have decided that adding a forum for sale items will not take place, at least not yet.

While we definitely think an area of this kind could be beneficial in the future, it was decided that the risks outweigh the benefits at this time. There are a lot of legalities that need to be considered before implementing something like this and the responsibility would ultimately fall on one person's shoulders (namely Dave, our site creator and administrator) should anything go wrong because of an innocent oversight for example. We'd need to have put a system in place that would address potential loop-holes and we just aren't there yet.

[keet_tweet4]

Yeah I guess with scams and such, you wouldn't want people getting mad or anything and getting Talk Budgies in trouble. Or people just joining to look for free birds...

[Lucille]

we just aren't there yet.

I think it is extremely wise to make an informed decision, as you did. After time, the info will collect and you can think on it again.

One alternative you might consider in the future for non live sales, is to occasionally permit a registered member with a certain amount of posts (eg, 200, to prevent spammers) to mention that they have an Ebay sale going on, for a particular item. Ebay offers its own protection for sales and that would appear to decrease liability here to an extent.

[Budgiekin]

You make some valid points Lucille. I'll definitely make note of your suggestions and perhaps in the near future, we'll revisit this idea again. ;)

[hozie07]

Darn lucille i was gonna bring up a post count requirement :(.

[the hunter]

:( ah well at least you considered it .:( .. how about in the future like lucille said non live sale little things people have that they dont need or maybe a swap forum ????

[Lucille]

:( ah well at least you considered it .:( .. how about in the future like lucille said non live sale little things people have that they dont need or maybe a swap forum ????

1) Hozie, good idea:p

2) the hunter, in today's world sites must be cautious about their own liability; without the proper disclaimers and setup, it is possible for a site to be held liable for even swapped items.

Although the value of such items would probably not be real high when we are talking budgies and budgie stuff, the problem is that many state consumer laws include attorney fees in a judgment so there is a real possibility that an extra $2-10,000 would be tacked on to costs. If a site is named in the suit that might mean the end of the site, and we wouldn't want that here.

I encourage anyone involved with business on the internet or anywhere else to learn what they can, and as is happening here, wait until they are confident that they understand how to deal with liability so that they do not unintentionally wake up one day with huge unanticipated debt.

[the hunter]

yeah no one wants the site getting into trouble . is'nt it terrible that a site cant provide a service to its members without fear of legal involvement/stupidity what has the world come to ???

[tweet 52]

It is probably for the best and you'll did look into the pro' & con's of the ideal,I just thought it was a great ideal.Talk Budgies Forums do have to be careful abut things like that,and I for one would not want it to get into any kind of trouble,this is the best place to come to.I really enjoy it here and don't want anything bad to happen here.But it would have been neat,I cant get out much to buy ....so I stick to order on-line. Maybe a..............swap forum ???

[keet_tweet4]

Maybe a..............swap forum ???

Swap forum is a good idea, but if someone got scammed and didn't get the item they swapped something for, they could get really mad and sue Talk Budgies. :(

[hozie07]

Actually talkbudgies just has to put up a disclaimer to avoid being sued...such as " swap at own risk"...

[keet_tweet4]

True, but it could still make people really mad and stuff, they may not sue but they could like badmouth Talk Budgies and stuff.

[hozie07]

I doubt any of the "regulars" on TB would trade or buy with someone whose first post involved buying or selling something . So it would mostly be the "regulars" buying, selling and trading right? If so i dont think anyone would steal/scam w/e from the other people on this forum so there would be no need for anyone bad mouthing TB.

[keet_tweet4]

I doubt any of the "regulars" on TB would trade or buy with someone whose first post involved buying or selling something . So it would mostly be the "regulars" buying, selling and trading right? If so i dont think anyone would steal/scam w/e from the other people on this forum so there would be no need for anyone bad mouthing TB.

You never know. I am not saying anyone here, but some people can sound really sweet, but when they get mad...lol. Some here may buy or sell from newer members, you never know.